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Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

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Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

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The author's hypothesis sounds reasonable, but it is most likely not arbitrage as @neilv mentioned it. It is money laundering.[0] [0] https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/02/money-laundering-via-aut... (edit: spelligating correctivization)

Would you be able to pay for something in the millions via normal payment methods though? The laundering makes sense for the smaller numbers like in the link (~$500) but these huge values make it seem unlikely to me (and would surely draw attention?)

I don't know about elsewhere in the world but I don't think I could spend >50k on a card in the UK without some kind of prior authorisation.

Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

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I think I stumbled across similar behaviour, but for a used book. I was looking for a particular computer science book, couldn't find it new, and then decided to buy a used one from Amazon, ordering from the store with the best rating. It didn't arrive, and after a while (a few weeks) I received a notice that the delivery service had lost the book. I was refunded the money, though. The tracking number I got for the b…

Here in Thailand, there were cases where the shop sent a package containing cash amount paid by the customer because they didn't have the item they sold. This was an attempt to avoid some negative repercussions from the platform they were selling on (Shoppe, Lazada). Totally mental.

Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

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I think I stumbled across similar behaviour, but for a used book. I was looking for a particular computer science book, couldn't find it new, and then decided to buy a used one from Amazon, ordering from the store with the best rating. It didn't arrive, and after a while (a few weeks) I received a notice that the delivery service had lost the book. I was refunded the money, though. The tracking number I got for the b…

I was sold the book although the store didn't have it. This happens a lot, and has recently become very visible with the death of Queen Elizabeth Ⅱ. A lot of people suddenly hit Amazon and other online shopping sites to buy Queen merchandise, only to have their orders cancelled because the sellers weren't real stores with inventory, but just randos on the internet used to going out to tourist shops and buying one or…

I did this a few times on craigslist a long time ago. I went to thrift stores and took pictures of stuff on the shelves, listed them for sale at a decent markup and when people wanted them I went and bought them. If it was already sold, I would tell them they just missed it. It ended up being not worth the effort for me, but it was fun for a few weeks.

Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

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Hmm. Is there a way to short-sell physical items like books?

Get a copy by other means, then list it on Amazon for slightly less than the cheaper ("legit") seller and order it from the expensive ("scam") one, hopefully before they adjust their prices. Then the scam seller buys it from you to sell to...you, and you pocket the difference.

This will presumably only work if the scam seller also automates the actual purchasing. If there is a human in the loop, they may look elsewhere for a copy and you will be out 23 million dollars (but have a copy of the book).

I would assume most Amazon marketplace sellers won't have the liquid assets with which to automate a 23 million dollar purchase.

Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

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The author's hypothesis sounds reasonable, but it is most likely not arbitrage as @neilv mentioned it. It is money laundering.[0] [0] https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/02/money-laundering-via-aut... (edit: spelligating correctivization)

I thought so at first too, but that doesn’t explain the steady price increases. Two algorithms competing against each other does.

And it really doesn't explain the price going back down to a more competitive price.

Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

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I suspect the strategy is similar to bracketing.

Bracketing isn't uncommon in small financial markets. You basically put a sell order in at a price a bit higher than the market and a buy order in a bit cheaper than the market. As the market moves, you also move your orders. The thing is you can't move them perfectly in sync with the market, and occasionally a large order comes in that blows through a few orders in the deck. So when someone comes along and buys a big chunk your sell order gets exercised. Someone else comes along and sells a big chunk and your buy order gets exercised. As soon as the orders are exercised you replace them.

The key is that you're always buying for a bit less than market, and always selling for a bit more than market. As the market moves you strongly tend to make money, regardless of which direction it goes. The more volatility, the more you are likely to make.

I think the strategy for being the higher priced book is similar. The seller knows it's a rare good, and they're counting on some class somewhere requiring the book. A bunch of students will need it all at once, and the cheaper copies will get snapped up, forcing some students to buy it at the higher price, and boom, your sell order at just above market got executed.

Maybe they should have limits, but it's just one book and it's unlikely to turn much of a profit, so it probably wasn't worth the effort.

Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was sold the book although the store didn't have it. This happens a lot, and has recently become very visible with the death of Queen Elizabeth Ⅱ. A lot of people suddenly hit Amazon and other online shopping sites to buy Queen merchandise, only to have their orders cancelled because the sellers weren't real stores with inventory, but just randos on the internet used to going out to tourist shops and buying one or…

I did this a few times on craigslist a long time ago. I went to thrift stores and took pictures of stuff on the shelves, listed them for sale at a decent markup and when people wanted them I went and bought them. If it was already sold, I would tell them they just missed it. It ended up being not worth the effort for me, but it was fun for a few weeks.

a seriously troubled neighbor here would go to thrift stores, buy armloads of stuff.. way too much.. list it on a half dozen platforms, and then used Facebook to promote her 'sale' to friends of friends.. She generated some income, but fell to hoarding at the same time.. also serious "spend-a-holic" patterns were reinforced .. not completely over and it has been at least five years of this.. USA-California
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