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Earth is now our only shareholder

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Re: Earth is now our only shareholder

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Post by uoaei »

rospaya wrote: post #14
immigrantheart wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

De-globalization will slow down economy, human activities, resulting in less pollution, less production. As long as there are no world wars, or any war for that matter, I'm all for de-globalization.

You might not have a problem with your phone costing $2000 dollars in that case, but there's so much machinery, equipment, chips, materials and various other products that would massively increase in cost or simply couldn't be produced anywhere else. How would that affect healthcare, education, manufacturing, whatever? I'm guessing that the amount of avoidable deaths that would be caused just because you can't get a…

"De-growth" should be understood to mean we will have to give up some things in the name of the greater good.

Yours is quite a common argument, but ultimately it is justified by a sense of entitlement of having the technology that is now assumed to be necessary and inevitable. The reality is that we as a civilization have jumped too far, too fast, we don't actually need those things to survive, and we will need to be comfortable temporarily sacrificing certain luxuries to attain a long-lasting sustainable path forward.

Re: Earth is now our only shareholder

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Post by voisin »

pphysch wrote: post #11

A massive PR move for a company in one of the most unnecessarily wasteful industries.

Would you rather they not make this move? Comments like yours are unnecessarily exhausting. Are they perfect? No. If your standard is to criticize and tear down anyone doing anything less than perfect than you won’t ever be happy. Compared to almost everyone in this industry, this is a major move. How about we applaud it and hope others do the same rather than approach everything with a jaded eye because it doesn’t meet some impossible standard?

Re: Earth is now our only shareholder

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Post by uxp100 »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #19
ycta202249823 wrote: post #15

Honestly never was interested in Patagonia (associated them with Silicon Valley bro types). After learning about the company and its owner from the move they made yesterday I'll probably refresh my wardrobe with some of their products for the coming winter.

it's probably as far from SV bro's as you can get

Not really, most of the “bros” I knew when I worked in SV I would describe as white or Indian men moderately interested in hiking biking and camping. Which makes sense, the Bay Area is stunning. Grab a beer or two afterwards. Have a nice time. (You might detect I’m kinda on the side of the bros here.)

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Post by rektide »

Robustly Post-capitalist Desire (shadow title: Capitalist Realism), a Mark Fisher (author of well known k-punk blog, Exiting the Vampire Castle, & many more) lecture series that he suicided during part-way through. Accepts capitalism as utterly unavoidable, as something we have to keep working through, & find objectives through, and tries to imagine what desire & goals might look like in a world that is defined almost exclusively by making more money (slash paperclips), where the invisible hand runs on auto-pilot towards it's own ends.

Post-capitalist Desire is now a book with the 5 surviving lectures, and the reading list for the planned course.

We've now got like 1/2755 billionaires actually putting up some kind of resistance to the cyclically consumptive desires of capital. Great.

Re: Earth is now our only shareholder

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Post by pphysch »

voisin wrote: post #23
pphysch wrote: post #11

A massive PR move for a company in one of the most unnecessarily wasteful industries.

Would you rather they not make this move? Comments like yours are unnecessarily exhausting. Are they perfect? No. If your standard is to criticize and tear down anyone doing anything less than perfect than you won’t ever be happy. Compared to almost everyone in this industry, this is a major move. How about we applaud it and hope others do the same rather than approach everything with a jaded eye because it doesn’t m…

I'm calling a spade a spade. It's a huge PR move that aligns with the brand identity.

The (former) shareholders will continue to lead luxurious lives. Patagonia will continue to contribute to wasteful fashion and the global oversupply of clothing products.

If any net-good is caused by this PR campaign, I will consider it a coincidence.

Re: Earth is now our only shareholder

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Post by parker_mountain »

ycta202249823 wrote: post #15

Honestly never was interested in Patagonia (associated them with Silicon Valley bro types). After learning about the company and its owner from the move they made yesterday I'll probably refresh my wardrobe with some of their products for the coming winter.

It's really funny how much of a stereotype it was. I've heard it being referred to as Patagucci, and there was even a puffy vest vending machine in sfo for a year or so (uniqlo, not patagonia)

Re: Earth is now our only shareholder

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Post by _jal »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #19
ycta202249823 wrote: post #15

Honestly never was interested in Patagonia (associated them with Silicon Valley bro types). After learning about the company and its owner from the move they made yesterday I'll probably refresh my wardrobe with some of their products for the coming winter.

it's probably as far from SV bro's as you can get

I'm guessing you spent little to no time on Sand Hill Road last decade.

The lunch spots could have been ads for Patagonia sweater-vests and Allbirds shoes.

Re: Earth is now our only shareholder

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Post by mandmandam »

uoaei wrote: post #16
immigrantheart wrote: post #7

Just in time that I would like to buy a winter jacket, seems Patagonia is the brand, if not at least a used one.

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Everything I've ever seen from Patagonia shows that they actually walk the walk.

They source as ethically as possible. Their repair program is unmatched. They pay their workers well.

In this story, they did their utmost to ensure their company remains well run, while constantly supporting their goal of protecting nature.

So, what exactly is your point here? Of all the companies you could reasonably attack for propaganda - why this one?

Re: Earth is now our only shareholder

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Post by kodah »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #19
ycta202249823 wrote: post #15

Honestly never was interested in Patagonia (associated them with Silicon Valley bro types). After learning about the company and its owner from the move they made yesterday I'll probably refresh my wardrobe with some of their products for the coming winter.

it's probably as far from SV bro's as you can get

Most people just use "Silicon Valley bro" in substitute for "man I don't like that is interested in technology".
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