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Re: Cloudflare Warp

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I have a fun story about using Warp while on vacation (Bahamas). I was finding that my net traffic felt like it was slower/more variable than I'd expect with uneven speedups and slowdowns.

On a whim I installed and turned on Warp and suddenly my internet speed was both palpably faster and more consistent in its speed. I think it possible that one of the side effects of encrypting your traffic may be that it evades ISP traffic shaping.

Re: Cloudflare Warp

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post #13

Where is Cloudflare heading to? Do they want to „own“ the entire internet traffic?

IMHO, it comes down to the economic structure of peering in the US (as I understand it? And not sure globally?).

Tl;dr: You have negotiating power based on the number of end clients you connect to the network.

And connectivity is an extremely high capital, low margin, and predatory industry.

Consequently, "build useful services, that cause more people to connect through you, that then allows you to favorably peer and lower your costs" is Cloudflare's strategic business model.

So yes, they would very much like the entire Internet to run through them. Or more accurately, terminate to their customers.

Re: Cloudflare Warp

#23
We use Cloudflare Warp at work. Honestly—and I say this as a Cloudflare fan in general—it doesn’t work well for me. I regularly have connection issues with it enabled. Video calls sometimes cut out for a couple seconds, and Tuple (which I use a lot) really struggles with it. It’s possible it’s my internet connection or something unrelated, but I don’t have any of these issues when Warp is disabled. YMMV and all that, so take this as the anecdote it is. For what it’s worth, some coworkers have similar issues, but others don’t, so maybe it’s region specific. (I live in Oregon.)

Re: Cloudflare Warp

#24
Kinda uneasy about how Cloudflare is positioning themselves to have insight into a huge chunk of the Internet's traffic (very much like Google has).

Even though there's no visible abuse right now, you know, Google's motto also used to be "don't be evil".

Re: Cloudflare Warp

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‘eastdakota: How would you candidly compare guarantees/expectations of Mullvad VPN vs your Cloudflare Warp VPN with respect to: - privacy, but also - performance. As a side note, I really value using a certain popular torrent box VM service for $10/mo is that they provide SSH and OpenVPN. I’ve used that VPN a lot when I worked in GCC countries (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain) to help me get around national HTTP blocklist…

Why use openVPN anymore when you can easily use Wireguard instead?

Re: Cloudflare Warp

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post #9

‘eastdakota: How would you candidly compare guarantees/expectations of Mullvad VPN vs your Cloudflare Warp VPN with respect to: - privacy, but also - performance. As a side note, I really value using a certain popular torrent box VM service for $10/mo is that they provide SSH and OpenVPN. I’ve used that VPN a lot when I worked in GCC countries (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain) to help me get around national HTTP blocklist…

Why use openVPN anymore when you can easily use Wireguard instead?

Not sure what you mean - mullvad supports using wireguard?

Re: Cloudflare Warp

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I have a fun story about using Warp while on vacation (Bahamas). I was finding that my net traffic felt like it was slower/more variable than I'd expect with uneven speedups and slowdowns. On a whim I installed and turned on Warp and suddenly my internet speed was both palpably faster and more consistent in its speed. I think it possible that one of the side effects of encrypting your traffic may be that it evades IS…

It could also be the result of sending traffic over a better route

Re: Cloudflare Warp

#29
> Your Internet service provider can see every site and app you use—even if they’re encrypted. Some providers even sell this data, or use it to target you with ads.

> We believe privacy is a right. We won't sell your data, ever.

"We, the people who make up this company now, but not in the future, PROMISE."

I notice they didn't say "we don't keep the data."

According to the comments, this is just wireguard. I deployed my own on a webhost and I use that, probably to the same effect. I guess I have to trust the webhost not to go snooping in my private logs, but that's a whole lot more targeted and requires a lot more effort.

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