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Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership
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Does your unrelated finger pointing at USA excuse and encourage Russia to invade a large sovereign country? I grow weary of non-sequiturs deliberately dropped for the purpose of muddying black-and-white clear moral issues
HOLD ON! We are in war with Russia because we argue that we want to have a rule based international order.
RULES MUST BE APPLIED EQUALLY! Hence, to Russia and to the US.
That's all that non idealistic people are asking and demanding!
Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership
#23I speak to Indian expat colleagues here in Germany and they are all against the anti-Russian politics, against the sanctions, pro-Modi in a very differentiated way. I speak to Chinese and Taiwanese colleagues, also to South Korean colleagues. All are against the Western-led anti-Russia war. We are in a bubble here. A huge bubble and we believe that we are the only right people with the only right opinion.
Have you considered your colleagues are going to agree with their colleague's obviously strong political views just to avoid any hassle?
I do think Chinese and Indian media are largely pushing the same narratives as you and Russia, but polling colleagues about politics isn't going to be very accurate
Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership
#24Clear example of when you will sell your soul and your country for money. This in itself explains why the world is currently in a downward trend with everything going worse and worse. I just hope that when the shit will hit the fan for India, then US, EU and related countries will remember to let India deal with it alone and not provide them assistance!
With the kind of history it has had, India knows it's futile and extremely moronic to keep faith in the West for any kind of help when, if ever, "shit hits the fan" for it. That's actually among the main reasons it has chosen to not squander its relationship with its one trusted ally.
The amount of aid Ukraine is receiving from the west, simply for being a victim is flabbergasting. If India rejects liberal international relations for realist ones, if India supports perpetrators, India can't expect help from the west when China comes knocking. How can a western government sell to their voters, assistance for a country that supported the unmerited killing of Ukrainian civilians?
Liberal international relations work on the same game theoretical principles as any group interaction with a prisoner's dilemma-type payoff matrix. The optimal strategy for any individual is to betray, to not do work on the group project and still receive good grades, to fake your credentials on your CV and still get the job, to subsidize the murder of Ukrainians and still receive economic benefits and international sympathy.
Of course, if everyone refuses to work on the group project, you receive a failing grade. If everyone fakes their credentials, the company fails due to lack of expertise, if every country prioritizes their own interests over avoiding conflict, the world goes back to the pre-WWII era of rampant warfare, colonialism and exploitation. The optimal strategy for groups is to zealously persecute defectors.
This is the reason why this decision is much more relevant to India's future than you think. It's the reason why the West seems like a vindictive in-group that doesn't tolerate dissent. It's the same old mechanism that instructed the first multicellular organism to destroy cancerous cells. The mechanism that makes guppies instinctively reject their own conspecifics if they don't participate in the dangerous inspection of predators. The mechanism that drives our conceptions of justice, vengeance and shame.
Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
With the kind of history it has had, India knows it's futile and extremely moronic to keep faith in the West for any kind of help when, if ever, "shit hits the fan" for it. That's actually among the main reasons it has chosen to not squander its relationship with its one trusted ally.
The amount of aid Ukraine is receiving from the west, simply for being a victim is flabbergasting. If India rejects liberal international relations for realist ones, if India supports perpetrators, India can't expect help from the west when China comes knocking. How can a western government sell to their voters, assistance for a country that supported the unmerited killing of Ukrainian civilians? Liberal internationa…
India will get hypothetical help from the West when China comes hypothetically knocking, if and only if it will benefit the West at that moment. Everything else is talk, and talk is cheap.
A country that went through partitioning and other West-induced "adventures" knows it.
Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership
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i think you must be confused. The only real war happening right now is led by russia on the ukrainian territory. What the west is doing is taking anti-war measures to actually make it stop.
But the west is not doing anything other than supplying an endless supply of weapons. This is not anti-war. It's pro war on the side of Ukraine. At this point it looks like it will go on indefinitely. Where will we be in 10 in years? Anti-war is to do everything to stop the war specifically diplomacy and talking to the enemy. Making deals, even if the enemy is an absolute psychopath.
How else do you expect to convince Russia to leave Ukraine's territory and pay reparations?
Or are you suggesting that we should just allow Russia to invade other countries with impunity and give it parts of Ukraine as a ransom? We've already done that the previous time, we know how it ended: in Russia invading again.
Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership
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Uhm, wouldn't the Ukrainians need a hundred thousand POWs first in order to exchange them for the deported children?
Deported children? You mean the same children that Saddam has killed back then and that the US used as a reason to bomb millions into oblivion... and that was a fake in the end? :) No thanks, American lies and propaganda must be banned + people spreading it must be punished.
That war has already ended. US wasn't punished, because it's a superpower. There is no reason not to punish Russia.
Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership
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Does your unrelated finger pointing at USA excuse and encourage Russia to invade a large sovereign country? I grow weary of non-sequiturs deliberately dropped for the purpose of muddying black-and-white clear moral issues
HOLD ON! We are in war with Russia because we argue that we want to have a rule based international order. RULES MUST BE APPLIED EQUALLY! Hence, to Russia and to the US. That's all that non idealistic people are asking and demanding!
No. In politics, might makes right. Like it or not, US is a superpower, and Russia isn't. No reason to use "equal rules" here.
Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership
#29Clear example of when you will sell your soul and your country for money. This in itself explains why the world is currently in a downward trend with everything going worse and worse. I just hope that when the shit will hit the fan for India, then US, EU and related countries will remember to let India deal with it alone and not provide them assistance!
You do realise that to Russia EU is still a more beneficial customer than India or China?
Sure, would be nice if they also officially joined, but complaining this way about their current choice is hypocrisy.
Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
With the kind of history it has had, India knows it's futile and extremely moronic to keep faith in the West for any kind of help when, if ever, "shit hits the fan" for it. That's actually among the main reasons it has chosen to not squander its relationship with its one trusted ally.
The amount of aid Ukraine is receiving from the west, simply for being a victim is flabbergasting. If India rejects liberal international relations for realist ones, if India supports perpetrators, India can't expect help from the west when China comes knocking. How can a western government sell to their voters, assistance for a country that supported the unmerited killing of Ukrainian civilians? Liberal internationa…
>assistance for a country that supported the unmerited killing of Ukrainian civilians
Let me guess - you believe this is some kind of civil war, and Russia is the peacekeeping force. So - well, please do some reading. What it is, is an imperial war against Ukraine, intended to destroy Ukraine as a nation and grab their people and resources. Russians are razing entire cities to ground; they killed about hundred thousand people in Mariupol alone.
To compare, the victim count of the "civil war" in Donbas was ~hundreds. Hundreds people, not hundreds of thousands. And am unknown number of those were Russian operatives.