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Our attention span is being robbed

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Re: Our attention span is being robbed

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We know this already, but I wonder what the remedies are. My SO can barely watch a movie or tv show before she gets back to infinite scrolling socials, it's a disaster. 5 minutes is the most she can do. Going out with me or friends is the same, few minutes and she's back checking emails and socials. I decided to lead by example and delete all socials, even reddit or linkedin, but it's impossible.

The remedy is awareness and control over our info diets, just like our food diets.

Supersweet beverages are available at virtually every restaurant and grocery store in my area (and advertised incessantly), but that doesn't mean I have to drink em every day and get diabetes.

Re: Our attention span is being robbed

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Plato said the same thing about writing/reading killing people's ability to remember/speak.

> If men learn this, it will implant forgetfulness in their souls; they will cease to exercise memory because they rely on that which is written, calling things to remembrance no longer from within themselves, but by means of external marks. What you have discovered is a recipe not for memory, but for reminder. And it is no true wisdom that you offer your disciples, but only its semblance, for by telling them of many things without teaching them you will make them seem to know much, while for the most part they know nothing, and as men filled, not with wisdom, but with the conceit of wisdom, they will be a burden to their fellows.

the same was said about books, novellas, tv, movies, audio books, etc etc.

I read the book mentioned in the article after a suggestion here, and Marshall McLuhan said it much better and without the boomer resentment. the author was a student of McLuhans but failed to say something unique.

Re: Our attention span is being robbed

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I don't like this view that our attention is being "taken" from us, or that we're being "robbed" of our ability to focus and concentrate. Here are some other ways to think about attention:

L.M. Sacasas:

The language of attention seems particularly loaded with economic and value-oriented metaphors, such as when we speak of paying attention or imagine our attention as a scarce resource we must either waste or horde. However, to my ears, the related language of attending to the world does not carry these same connotations. Attention and attending are etymologically related to the Latin word attendere, which suggested among other things the idea of “stretching toward” something. I like this way of thinking about attention, not as a possession in limited supply, theoretically quantifiable, and ready to be exploited, but rather as a capacity to actively engage the world—to stretch ourselves toward it, to reach for it, to care for it, indeed, to tend it.

https://theconvivialsociety.substack.com/p/attending-to-the-...

Simone Weil:

Attention consists of suspending our thought, leaving it detached, empty, and ready to be penetrated by the object; it means holding in our minds, within reach of this thought, but on a lower level and not in contact with it, the diverse knowledge we have acquired which we are forced to make use of. Our thought should be in relation to all particular and already formulated thoughts, as a man on a mountain who, as he looks forward, sees also below him, without actually looking at them, a great many forests and plains. Above all our thought should be empty, waiting, not seeking anything, but ready to receive in its naked truth the object that is to penetrate it.

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In every school exercise there is a special way of waiting upon truth, setting our hearts upon it, yet not allowing ourselves to go out in search of it. There is a way of giving our attention to the data of a problem in geometry without trying to find the solution or to the words of a Latin or Greek text without trying to arrive at the meaning, a way of waiting, when we are writing, for the right word to come of itself at the end of our pen, while we merely reject all inadequate words.

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So it comes about that, paradoxical as it may seem, a Latin prose or a geometry problem, even though they are done wrong, may be of great service one day, provided we devote the right kind of effort to them. Should the occasion arise, they can one day make us better able to give someone in affliction exactly the help required to save him, at the supreme moment of his need.

Attention is the rarest and purest form of generosity.

https://lithub.com/simone-weils-radical-conception-of-attent...

David Foster Wallace:

The really important kind of freedom involves attention and awareness and discipline, and being able truly to care about other people and to sacrifice for them over and over in myriad petty, unsexy ways every day. That is real freedom.

David Whyte:

The ultimate touchstone of friendship is not improvement, neither of the other nor of the self. The ultimate touchstone is witness, the privilege of having been seen by someone, and the equal privilege of being granted the sight of the essence of another, to have walked with them, and to have believed in them, and sometimes, just to have accompanied them, for however brief a span, on a journey impossible to accomplish alone.

Re: Our attention span is being robbed

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post #8

This article makes a valid point and is worth discussing but damn if it isn't the epitome of a vacuous content writing blog, complete with a hypocritical coda of "if you like this, you might also like my other articles" and links to social media accounts to further the author's brand. Twenty years ago, it would've made for an anonymous, conclusion-less personal entry on a Xanga or a Blogspot somewhere. Now, it's anot…

It wasn't even proofread. I feel like I only read the whole thing just because he said I don't have an attention span.

"You won't read this!" is the best way to make people read something.

Re: Our attention span is being robbed

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post #17

We know this already, but I wonder what the remedies are. My SO can barely watch a movie or tv show before she gets back to infinite scrolling socials, it's a disaster. 5 minutes is the most she can do. Going out with me or friends is the same, few minutes and she's back checking emails and socials. I decided to lead by example and delete all socials, even reddit or linkedin, but it's impossible.

My family has taken inspiration from Orthodox Jews. At sunset we take all our devices and put them in a cabinet, turned off. Nobody can even call us on the phone. We have a big fancy dinner with fancy silverware and invite people over. Nobody is allowed to have their devices turned on. Until sunset on Sunday we just hang out or do whatever we wanted to do anyway, just with zero screens. We end up reading books, playi…

My wife is a new chicken farmer. For the last year I’ve spent most of my weekends in the middle of nowhere surrounded by nothing but open sky and animals. Even when everything sucks, nothing is working, and I hate everything I still love working out there. I never look at my phone. No one ever calls me because the only people that matter are there working with me. The more I’m outside away from my day to day life the more I resent it.

This is just a long winded way of me saying what you’re doing is, what I think is, the only way to get our attention span back. Shutting off everything and really being with the people around you is the only way. And for anyone else reading this I think you should try it before you tell me I’m wrong.

Re: Our attention span is being robbed

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This article makes a valid point and is worth discussing but damn if it isn't the epitome of a vacuous content writing blog, complete with a hypocritical coda of "if you like this, you might also like my other articles" and links to social media accounts to further the author's brand. Twenty years ago, it would've made for an anonymous, conclusion-less personal entry on a Xanga or a Blogspot somewhere. Now, it's anot…

I get a sense it was written on a phone and that each paragraph was written in 2 minutes before they had to doom-scroll for 1/2 hour becz they got bored.

First thought was, give the person a break. It's probably some teenager, but it's NOT.

TFA says he's read books "The Stand" and "Fahrenheit 451", but I question how long ago that was.

Re: Our attention span is being robbed

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This article makes a valid point and is worth discussing but damn if it isn't the epitome of a vacuous content writing blog, complete with a hypocritical coda of "if you like this, you might also like my other articles" and links to social media accounts to further the author's brand. Twenty years ago, it would've made for an anonymous, conclusion-less personal entry on a Xanga or a Blogspot somewhere. Now, it's anot…

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Re: Our attention span is being robbed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a night and day difference between this platform and recommendation engines like IG, FB or TikTok. And there's even a larger difference in effects. The only reason I keep HN is because of the amount of quality-content related to my tech career.

Those platforms are worse but I don’t believe HN is any better in quality, just quantity. It’s a web forum linking to online content, it holds the same pitfalls for addictive behavior.

No it doesn't, you're trying to stretch the notion that anything can be addictive with products designed to be addictive and distracting 24/7.

Also, the amount of fresh content on HN is way too low. Can't be compared even to old reddit.

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