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Smart streetlights are casting a long shadow

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Re: Smart streetlights are casting a long shadow

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"The streetlight was originally designed as a surveillance device and has been refined to that end ever since then." I'm sorry, but I don't think any normal definition of "surveillance" would include a lamp that simply allows those in the area to see their surroundings better. Distributed observation by unconnected individuals without record keeping just doesn't seem to come close to a normal idea of "surveillance".…

Don’t you surveil the road as you drive at night?

Re: Smart streetlights are casting a long shadow

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Meanwhile this morning I was wondering if I could drop a remote control LED light next to the solar sensor on the street light across the street with a drone and fool it at night into turning off so I can use my telescope without being blinded in my front yard.

use a pellet gun

Re: Smart streetlights are casting a long shadow

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Look. I'm the target audience- a bleeding heart liberal with a long history of wokeness to the point of annoying others on this site, and a deep mistrust of surveilance. Even _I_ an exhausted with arguments like "Citizens of Ancient Rome started to install an oil lamp in front of every villa to prevent tripping or thefts, and an enslaved person would be designated to watch the lamp—lighting was already paired with th…

So no discussion about the substance of the article.. just a bunch of people who don't read the conclusions first and scroll backwards up a text like a sensible person .. .. and is it so distasteful or irrelevant when talking about contemporary problems of power and society, to compare to other moments in history?.. isn't this kind of comments a text book example of derailing the online conversation with some tangential point

Re: Smart streetlights are casting a long shadow

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post #21
post #10

"The streetlight was originally designed as a surveillance device and has been refined to that end ever since then." I'm sorry, but I don't think any normal definition of "surveillance" would include a lamp that simply allows those in the area to see their surroundings better. Distributed observation by unconnected individuals without record keeping just doesn't seem to come close to a normal idea of "surveillance".…

Don’t you surveil the road as you drive at night?

No. That's an abuse of language. Surveillance is persistent monitoring of an area, person, etc. with a strong implication of record retention and intent to escalate situations which may arise.

Looking upon your way as you travel is not surveillance. Putting a light on a night is not surveillance. We are talking about a particular thing, notwithstanding irrelevantly broad archaic or foreign usage.

Re: Smart streetlights are casting a long shadow

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All right I have a question, why are there all these purple and blue street lights? You can barely see anything with them and they produce a ton of glare

They're failing LED lamps. They aren't supposed to be that color.

To add more to this, the LEDs rely on phosphors to get white or amber light off. It's one company that had defective phosphors and sold them all around the country. I spotted some of them failing around Scranton, PA. Here's a link on it: https://nightskysantafe.org/blog/nationwide-failure-of-ael-s...

Re: Smart streetlights are casting a long shadow

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Look. I'm the target audience- a bleeding heart liberal with a long history of wokeness to the point of annoying others on this site, and a deep mistrust of surveilance. Even _I_ an exhausted with arguments like "Citizens of Ancient Rome started to install an oil lamp in front of every villa to prevent tripping or thefts, and an enslaved person would be designated to watch the lamp—lighting was already paired with th…

No kidding. I got to the same paragraph and closed the tab. The author seriously buried the lede. What exactly is a “smart streetlight” and why is it of concern? I have no idea.

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Re: Smart streetlights are casting a long shadow

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're failing LED lamps. They aren't supposed to be that color.

To add more to this, the LEDs rely on phosphors to get white or amber light off. It's one company that had defective phosphors and sold them all around the country. I spotted some of them failing around Scranton, PA. Here's a link on it: https://nightskysantafe.org/blog/nationwide-failure-of-ael-s...

Even the properly functioning "warm white" LED streetlamps are a fucking disaster.

They are way too blue, way too bright, spaced too far apart, placed too high up in the air, and not diffused adequately.

Orange sodium lamps are so, so, so much better in every way.

Re: Smart streetlights are casting a long shadow

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Look. I'm the target audience- a bleeding heart liberal with a long history of wokeness to the point of annoying others on this site, and a deep mistrust of surveilance. Even _I_ an exhausted with arguments like "Citizens of Ancient Rome started to install an oil lamp in front of every villa to prevent tripping or thefts, and an enslaved person would be designated to watch the lamp—lighting was already paired with th…

Same for me, this article is just poorly written, and also author's argument is poorly constructed: instead of making one point clearly and tersely, author is attempting to make many bombastic ones. It's unbalanced and hyperbolic and I can't take it seriously.

Also, this unnecessarily long and hyperbolic style of writing is exactly what undergrads have been trained to produce in college in the humanities for many years imo.

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