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Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark

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Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark

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Post by fastball »

skissane wrote: post #17
c3534l wrote: post #14

Could you successfully argue that its generic at this point? I strongly doubt anyone seriously thinks when you talk about Javascript, you're talking about only products and tools made by Oracle.

I am guessing that Oracle is worried that if they give up (or somehow lose) the JavaScript trademark, that may threaten their ownership of the Java trademark - the later is far more important to them than the former.

IANAL but seems like intentionally giving up the specific JavaScript trademark would actually help with that, since if a disagreement over JavaScript ever went to court and Oracle lost it could very easily domino into the Java trademark. Give it up and it never goes to court.

Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark

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Post by bruce511 »

I feel like this isn't a problem that needs solving.

The existence of a trademark doesn't prevent you using that trademark (as in referencing it like "this app is written in JavaScript".)

Clearly Oracle is not defending the trademark, and it is likely its too late to start. Worst case they pick on you, you change your docs to say Ecmascript.

Frankly it's safer where it is, than being released so the USPO or something can issue it to someone else.

A bigger intrinsic problem is lay-programmers confusing JavaScript with Java, and unfortunately there's no fixing that.

Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark

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Post by pvg »

gumby wrote: post #12

Can’t you just call it ECMAScript, or are they somehow different these days? Guy Steele told me once that Sun registered it with ECMA so they could tell people (governments?) that it was a registered standard and that ECMA was the easiest/fastest/most compliant way to get there. I’d always thought that ECMA was a weird place to register it.

Can’t you just call it ECMAScript

We're at about the right point in the timeline to start calling it YavaScript which both solves the trademark problem and keeps us on the path laid out in prophesy.

Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark

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Post by [deleted] »

bruce511 wrote: post #23

I feel like this isn't a problem that needs solving. The existence of a trademark doesn't prevent you using that trademark (as in referencing it like "this app is written in JavaScript".) Clearly Oracle is not defending the trademark, and it is likely its too late to start. Worst case they pick on you, you change your docs to say Ecmascript. Frankly it's safer where it is, than being released so the USPO or something…

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Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark

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Post by _ZeD_ »

thedebuglife wrote: post #15
gumby wrote: post #12

Can’t you just call it ECMAScript, or are they somehow different these days? Guy Steele told me once that Sun registered it with ECMA so they could tell people (governments?) that it was a registered standard and that ECMA was the easiest/fastest/most compliant way to get there. I’d always thought that ECMA was a weird place to register it.

I believe ECMAScript is the specification of which JavaScript is an implementation.

I always have had problem with this definition... what do you mean by "implementation"? in my head "implementations" are "programs".

Like... "C" is a specification, "gcc" is an implementation. "Python" is a specification, "CPython", "PyPy", ... are implementations. "ECMAScript" is a specification, "webkit", "spidermonkey", ... are implementations.

"JavaScript" is a (trademarked) specification, and also "ECMAScript" and "JavaScript" are "very very similar" (wink wink)

Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark

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Post by fragmede »

cpeterso wrote: post #10

JavaScript is trademarked and not related to Java. ECMA should adopt the name “JS”. Just JS, not an acronym. That’s what people call it anyway.

How do you pronounce JS out loud, and why is your way right and the other way wrong?

Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark

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Post by russellbeattie »

bruce511 wrote: post #23

I feel like this isn't a problem that needs solving. The existence of a trademark doesn't prevent you using that trademark (as in referencing it like "this app is written in JavaScript".) Clearly Oracle is not defending the trademark, and it is likely its too late to start. Worst case they pick on you, you change your docs to say Ecmascript. Frankly it's safer where it is, than being released so the USPO or something…

Well... Oracle is lead by the most ruthless, unethical, Machiavellian business person in tech and his devoted acolytes. They probably don't gaf. But it wouldn't surprise me for Oracle to decide on some last minute resurrection of the brand and start legal armageddon. (In fact, calling attention to the situation is probably the worst thing to do...)

That said, my guess is all they really want is for it to be a zero cost pain in the ass for Microsoft, Apple, Google, etc.

(Yes... You youngsters might think Bezos or Zuck might be gunning for that title, but they got nothing on ol' Larry. He's evil incarnate. There's reasons those other two are always in the news and Ellison is not. Think about it. Pure evil.)

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