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Blocking Kiwifarms

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Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

#21

> We have never been their hosting provider That is simply not how it works. The bits came from Cloudflare.

That is not how it works both technically and legally. Providing a reverse proxy is not the same as hosting the content.

They are a cache, not some load balancer. To anyone visiting their site, the difference is immaterial (otherwise, why would it even matter).

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

#22

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Why?

Kiwifarms is a site that is implicated in several deaths, several swattings, and had knowingly hosted videos of, for example, the Christchurch shooting.

It is a hotbed for stochastic terrorism. It should be welcome to exist online, but Cloudflare providing it protection undermines Cloudflare's own reputation.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

#24
Pretty crazy turnaround. I really liked the pretty clear and reasoned abuse policy[1] they put out recently, and I don't envy the position they are in. On one hand, yes, this specific site is terrible. But they are trying very hard to not become the arbiters of what is terrible and what isn't terrible, and I respect them for that.

It's not an easy line to take, and other companies like Google and Facebook have not made that same choice to stay neutral.

> Some argue that we should terminate these services to content we find reprehensible so that others can launch attacks to knock it offline. That is the equivalent argument in the physical world that the fire department shouldn't respond to fires in the homes of people who do not possess sufficient moral character

1. https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflares-abuse-policies-and-a...

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

#26

> We have never been their hosting provider That is simply not how it works. The bits came from Cloudflare.

That is not how it works both technically and legally. Providing a reverse proxy is not the same as hosting the content.

Did they provide CDN services? Then they store files and I would interpret that as hosting.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

#28

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Why?

cloudflare’s servers were hosting and redistributing abusive material and private information non-consensually leading to suicides?

KF is still on the internet, they’re free to handle their own traffic and find a cdn willing to take their (apparently blatantly neonazi named) operating company’s money

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

#30

> We have never been their hosting provider That is simply not how it works. The bits came from Cloudflare.

That is not how it works both technically and legally. Providing a reverse proxy is not the same as hosting the content.

Except, you know, when they were literally hosting the “site is down“ pages that contained anti-trans jokes.
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