We are in constant denial of how fast our population grew and continue to grow.
Narrative is like 'uh-oh, population grow is not like it used to be'. Well right, a lot of countries doubled their population in last 50 years or less and continue to grow, being that natural birth rate or immigration is not that important.
100,000s of people in South Korea live in tiny underground apartments [video]
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Happiness is a choice. Some of the most miserable people in the world are obscenely wealthy. Happiness = Reality - Expectations. You control your own expectations. Generally, the American Dream of a massive house + massive car + isolated lifestyle away from friends and family is a/ not scalable to worldwide scale, b/ not the universal mode to happiness
More like ignoring reality is a choice. You can live in miserable conditions and trick your mind to be happy and refuse to be affected by circumstances and be happy. Thay works out fine if happiness is your goal. But that also means you ignore reality and operate based on lies and self-deception. Why work to improve your situation or fix problems if you are happy as you are? I actually think too many people are happy…
>I actually think too many people are happy when they shouldn't. I prefer to be angry, sad frustrated, anything so long it matches reality.
Doesn't sound healthly
Re: 100,000s of people in South Korea live in tiny underground apartments [video]
#23It is remarkable how the most memorable scenes in parasite (for me) were not any of the crazy plot but the flooding scenes which were nothing but aesthetic symbolism of the movie's message. It didn't matter from a plot perspective at all really, and there was no dramatic sense of danger in it either, but damn did it stand out.
> It didn't matter from a plot perspective at all really To me this is exactly what made the flood scene so powerful. When watching the film the flood seems to almost interrupt the narrative flow, "what is this? this isn't what I'm interested in right now. Why do we need this, there's already enough going on for these people?" is your first reaction as a viewer But that's how real tragedy unfolds, it completely inter…
Absolutely. Grandparent commentor has some odd notions about what constitutes a legitimate versus illegitimate narrative device, and what constitutes “dramatic sense of danger.”
They mentioned it as an “aesthetic” choice on the part of the writer/director, but the linked video mentioned 4 people who had drowned in a flooded banjiha, and included an interview with a family who claimed to have narrowly escaped with their own lives.
Tragedy striking suddenly and seemingly irreversibly is a common feature of life in poverty; there is no art or artifice about it and (purely personally), it strikes me as naive interpreting it as a visual spectacle and not a visual representation of an underlying reality.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok, so how does your point tie back to the discussion? I don't think having a living quarters that doesn't flood during a storm is a very high expectation. Do you?
That expectation reflects privileges that many if not most people in the world do not have.
What, why? Floods can be prevented and it is fine to expect that we work towards that ideal. Nothing wrong about that.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It didn't matter from a plot perspective at all really To me this is exactly what made the flood scene so powerful. When watching the film the flood seems to almost interrupt the narrative flow, "what is this? this isn't what I'm interested in right now. Why do we need this, there's already enough going on for these people?" is your first reaction as a viewer But that's how real tragedy unfolds, it completely inter…
Absolutely. Grandparent commentor has some odd notions about what constitutes a legitimate versus illegitimate narrative device, and what constitutes “dramatic sense of danger.” They mentioned it as an “aesthetic” choice on the part of the writer/director, but the linked video mentioned 4 people who had drowned in a flooded banjiha, and included an interview with a family who claimed to have narrowly escaped with the…
> Grandparent commentor has some odd notions about what constitutes a legitimate versus illegitimate narrative device, and what constitutes “dramatic sense of danger.”
Feels... weirdly aggressive for no reason. It's a great moment, but it's not a plot focused one. It has no consequences nor any particular proposition of consequences. In real life, yes, floods are dangerous. In real life a flood would be a significant life event. But that's not the character of this scene. The best shot of the film, and personally I think he best shot I've ever seen period, is of the daughter just smoking on the toilet while it overflows with sewage during the flood. She's not afraid, in fact, she's pretty apathetic to it all.
Water is a recurring motif in the film. The rich people stay dry. The water flows down to the poor who get soaked. The fact that people have actually died from this kind of flooding is tragic, but it shouldn't redefine how one interprets the scene. The family narrowly avoids a complete disaster and this is just a brutal reminder that their lives still suck.
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That lady is dirt poor clinging onto the meagre rent of a very insignificant asset. I guarantee her entire life, including as a "landlord", has been certainly tougher than mine, but probably yours and 99% of the people on this forum. The landlord is "in her 80s", so born between '33 and '42. Consider: - She was born into Japanese occupation and lived through WW2. Probably was malnourished growing up. - Shes old enoug…
There's more than enough economic activity in SK to pay for both health care and housing, but their wealth is highly concentrated among the richest. Instead of insisting that there must be an underclass of subterranean peasants supporting her in late life due to the happenstance of her petty real estate holdings, people who are just barely above peasants should be looking up, demanding accountability from people rich…
I think this is fair but not at all what you were saying in your initial comment.
I don't think the old lady was being a NIMBY Andy.
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#27Another example of "south korea isn't good, its just that north korea is just worse". Many commie nations in asia had nearly equally as bad, and sometime worse, "democratic" counterparts. Until the korean war, north korea was actually richer. South korea is absolutely a terrible place to live and has tons of corruption, it just looks good because its compared to its northern neighbor. If north korea didn't exist I do…
I think it looks good more because of media and politics?
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#28Another example of "south korea isn't good, its just that north korea is just worse". Many commie nations in asia had nearly equally as bad, and sometime worse, "democratic" counterparts. Until the korean war, north korea was actually richer. South korea is absolutely a terrible place to live and has tons of corruption, it just looks good because its compared to its northern neighbor. If north korea didn't exist I do…
"Hell Korea" is what koreans call their country, and also we're going kinda extinct.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
More like ignoring reality is a choice. You can live in miserable conditions and trick your mind to be happy and refuse to be affected by circumstances and be happy. Thay works out fine if happiness is your goal. But that also means you ignore reality and operate based on lies and self-deception. Why work to improve your situation or fix problems if you are happy as you are? I actually think too many people are happy…
>I actually think too many people are happy when they shouldn't. I prefer to be angry, sad frustrated, anything so long it matches reality. Doesn't sound healthly
Dude should read some Marcus aurelius
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#30I guess 70% of SK land (shape) is not that flat, that's why it's also harder to fix (wonder why having underground apartments like this in the first place). Getting 0.2% of population out of this underground living should be doable quickly..