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Fake musicians: a million-dollar Instagram verification scheme

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Re: Fake musicians: a million-dollar Instagram verification scheme

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I struggle to understand why verification on social media platforms involves anything more than taking a picture of yourself touching your nose with your left hand or whatever. The point should be to prove that the account is actually you, right? How did it end up being some kind of badge of honor?

Sort of like how there are only Wikipedia pages for “notable” people, only people with some amount of fame get a blue check mark on these platforms.

there are at least cut and dry criteria for what notability means on wp.

Re: Fake musicians: a million-dollar Instagram verification scheme

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Wow, this article caused me to google myself and find that google has labeled me a music artist as well. I should start my own service since it seems maybe all you need to do is create a podcast, then google says you are a musician and presumably the verification process at Facebook follows google's lead.

Is it you or a name-doppleganger?

The best is when you share a name with a famous criminal, and they don't have a picture of the criminal but do find your linked-in photo ...

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What I don't understand is why Meta/Facebook thinks you are only a real person if you are a musician. You cannot just upload a picture of your passport and a couple of bank statements. You know, the way any other company verifies the identity of a person?

Definitely not interested in giving ol Zuck my passport and bank statements

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> Meta has so far removed fraudulently applied verification badges from more than 300 Instagram profiles It's not a "Verification Badge", it's a "Famous Person" badge. If you verify someone's identity, John Doe indeed controls the instagram account with his face and name, then I don't see how there could be anything fraudulent about it if it's just a "verification badge". The verification badge is supposed to show wh…

One political party in the UK managed to change their username, banner and description on Twitter to "fact check UK" and keep their badge.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/19/tories-twee...

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The verified tag is just ridiculous. It should be for everyone or for nobody. Man I was sigh-ing throughout this whole article.. They created a huge grave by adding the verified tag. People will and should exploit this. Blame the social media platform for this lousy, discriminating verified tag

I find it useful on Telegram. There's a lot of scamming/phishing there too. It has helped a lot during pandemic peak to filter out misinformation.

But if it's for everyone, it won't make much sense. You can legally change your name to match anyone's, get that tag and scam others.

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Wow, this article caused me to google myself and find that google has labeled me a music artist as well. I should start my own service since it seems maybe all you need to do is create a podcast, then google says you are a musician and presumably the verification process at Facebook follows google's lead.

Is it you or a name-doppleganger? The best is when you share a name with a famous criminal, and they don't have a picture of the criminal but do find your linked-in photo ...

Ouch that hurts.

No it's me, its just they must label all podcasters as musicians.

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> Meta has so far removed fraudulently applied verification badges from more than 300 Instagram profiles It's not a "Verification Badge", it's a "Famous Person" badge. If you verify someone's identity, John Doe indeed controls the instagram account with his face and name, then I don't see how there could be anything fraudulent about it if it's just a "verification badge". The verification badge is supposed to show wh…

They should either change the verification badge to say “certified famous” or something, or just give out the verification badge to anyone who wants it, provided they successfully prove their identity. I don’t see how verifying my identity negatively affects Justin Bieber’s verified status, for example.

Re: Fake musicians: a million-dollar Instagram verification scheme

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This bears much similarity with this scam discussed on HN some days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32377063

> go to some platform with public credibility that allows you to insert unverified but credible data (Spotify, IMDb, etc.)

> create entries for yourself

> pay PR sites with some good SEO to publish about it

> use this data to persuade bigger companies staff/algorithms to think you deserve that badge/star/custom box on their products

Guess we'll see a lot of those scams being uncovered as the time goes, a lot of people still think that Spotify/IMDb/etc. has some strong background-check policy for user-submitted content.

Re: Fake musicians: a million-dollar Instagram verification scheme

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The pipeline for musicians on social media is to pay an online source to publish disingenuous articles and Wikipedia entries about them as an artist, and then to use those (purchased) sources for verification. Any artist can get official looking press interviews done on them and then get verified if they are willing to pay for it. Many artists also buy accounts on social media that already come with thousands, and often millions of followers already on them, and then simply change the name on the account to their own artist name. You can also directly pay for verification with any corrupt side-dealing marketer that has access to Twitter, IG, or many other business platforms on those very same social apps.

Thousands of artists do this, they also leverage bots to drive their streaming numbers high to further boost their public impression. The platforms do very little to counter or authenticate this activity because people churning makes them money, and keeps their platforms looking alive, when in truth, it's all pretty much a pit of desperation for popularity with very little realness to it.

Citing all this, there is little value in spending all that money to fake success, most of the artists that engage in it lose money every year, and can rarely perform live as headliners because their audiences would be embarrassingly low (unless they perform at a big festival lined up with many other artists of course). Fakery is even less fulfilling for music artists when you look at the fact that most popular artists are losing a lot of money and time trying to look like they are successful... It also makes having any success as an authentic musician a total washout, as the industry is flooded with all the individuals that are impersonating success, which keeps authentic musicians almost totally out of view.

Until people wake up to how social media coddles the industry of fake credibility, things will get a lot worse. Just imagine fake credibility infiltrating the medical industry (for example), there would be a lot more botched surgeries and diagnoses. Private companies shouldn't serve as the grantor of credibility, they always do it from the perspective of what generates profit, not what generates authenticity.

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