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Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by catach »

Multicomp wrote: post #16

It is such a bummer to me that Firefox is implementing MV3 and deprecating MV2[1]. Internet Explorer 6 never left, it just became Google Chrome*. Vivaldi? Killed, Chrome clone. Edge? Killed, Chrome clone. Brave? Killed, Chrome clone. Firefox? Technically a separate engine and in theory among the last hopes, but so sclerotic it follows Chrome in almost all of its decisions. (Can MV2 be kept as a stable basic-security-…

Isn't this a better link for Firefox, since it covers their reasoning and where they're not following Chrome?

https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2022/05/18/manifest-v3-in-fi...

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by Multicomp »

bambax wrote: post #7

> By releasing an extension built with Manifest V3 today — first among developers of ad blockers – we can say that we've met the challenge that Google posed to us. They shouldn't do this IMHO. Manifest V3 is a horrible attempt to kill adblocking (under the banner of "security", as always). But, the web is completely unusable without adblocking. If there are no more (effective) adblockers for Chrome, users will franti…

Firefox is building MV3 and while they are coy with deprecating MV2, we all know, c'mon, they won't keep MV2 even a day after their minimum year promised.

Their track record speaks against them.

XPCOM extensions? Killed, but don't worry, we will re-implement all the needed APIs as WebExtensions (didn't happen).

Fennec to Fenix mobile extensions? Killed, you get these 10 blessed ones, don't worry, we will eventually re-enable all of the webextensions on mobile, any day now, (didn't happen, you have to do hacky hacks involving nightly version to do un-blessed extensions).

This will likely be their third strike.

UPDATE: Or it's not nearly as bad as I expected. Per [1], while Firefox will be eventually deprecating MV2, the Firefox MV3 is much less 'evil' than the Chrome MV3, in that Firefox will continue to enable the WebRequest API without all the lock-down restrictions.

This makes a competitive advantage for Firefox in terms of adblocking power, if anything.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32648925

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

#23

Post by tomxor »

lapinot wrote: post #6
slimypi wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jeeezuuuss! that will hurt, a lot.

I use firefox so i don't know much about chrome vs chromium politics, but if the chromium people have one thing to do now, it would be to maintain manifest v2 in their fork..

Unless something recently changed, Chromium is considered upstream for Google Chrome, not a fork... so you will see most engine level changes originate in Chromium, by google engineers.

Maybe you are confusing it with de-googled-chromium et al?

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

#24

Post by Multicomp »

Longhanks wrote: post #19
bambax wrote: post #7

> By releasing an extension built with Manifest V3 today — first among developers of ad blockers – we can say that we've met the challenge that Google posed to us. They shouldn't do this IMHO. Manifest V3 is a horrible attempt to kill adblocking (under the banner of "security", as always). But, the web is completely unusable without adblocking. If there are no more (effective) adblockers for Chrome, users will franti…

I think you overestimate the role adblockers play for regular users. Most people not affiliated with IT in any way I've met actually don't use an adblocker or have forgotten that they in fact do and would not notice the change to Manifest v3. Also, most people care much more about "it simply works", and that is Chrome. Firefox is neither preinstalled nor as compatible as Chrome (nor as fast or user friendly). There's…

> nor as compatible as Chrome (nor as fast or user friendly). There's already a lot of popups like "this site works best in Chrome".

User-agent sniffing[1] and it is a webdev smell. I acknowledge that this is true, but I admit being bummed that we didn't win the war to use web standards.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browser_sniffing

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

#25

Post by arusahni »

Multicomp wrote: post #16

It is such a bummer to me that Firefox is implementing MV3 and deprecating MV2[1]. Internet Explorer 6 never left, it just became Google Chrome*. Vivaldi? Killed, Chrome clone. Edge? Killed, Chrome clone. Brave? Killed, Chrome clone. Firefox? Technically a separate engine and in theory among the last hopes, but so sclerotic it follows Chrome in almost all of its decisions. (Can MV2 be kept as a stable basic-security-…

Mozilla is not implementing[1] any of the Mv3 restrictions against ad blockers (i.e. WebRequest).

[1] https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2022/05/18/manifest-v3-in-fi...

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by Multicomp »

catach wrote: post #21
Multicomp wrote: post #16

It is such a bummer to me that Firefox is implementing MV3 and deprecating MV2[1]. Internet Explorer 6 never left, it just became Google Chrome*. Vivaldi? Killed, Chrome clone. Edge? Killed, Chrome clone. Brave? Killed, Chrome clone. Firefox? Technically a separate engine and in theory among the last hopes, but so sclerotic it follows Chrome in almost all of its decisions. (Can MV2 be kept as a stable basic-security-…

Isn't this a better link for Firefox, since it covers their reasoning and where they're not following Chrome? https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2022/05/18/manifest-v3-in-fi...

Yes, this is. duck.com search didn't surface that one on my first SERP so will update my post to reflect. Thanks!

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by aaaaaaaaata »

XorNot wrote: post #14
jnsaff2 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox is not that bad. Honestly the multi-account containers alone merits the switch.

I don't get where "not that bad" is coming from with Firefox these days. Firefox is just plain good, and has been for a while.

https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.ht...

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by Multicomp »

arusahni wrote: post #25
Multicomp wrote: post #16

It is such a bummer to me that Firefox is implementing MV3 and deprecating MV2[1]. Internet Explorer 6 never left, it just became Google Chrome*. Vivaldi? Killed, Chrome clone. Edge? Killed, Chrome clone. Brave? Killed, Chrome clone. Firefox? Technically a separate engine and in theory among the last hopes, but so sclerotic it follows Chrome in almost all of its decisions. (Can MV2 be kept as a stable basic-security-…

Mozilla is not implementing[1] any of the Mv3 restrictions against ad blockers (i.e. WebRequest). [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2022/05/18/manifest-v3-in-fi...

I stand corrected in a big way. I'm very pleased that Firefox is doing this, I need to go make my other doom-gloom be less doom-gloomy now.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

#29

Post by soulofmischief »

Multicomp wrote: post #22
bambax wrote: post #7

> By releasing an extension built with Manifest V3 today — first among developers of ad blockers – we can say that we've met the challenge that Google posed to us. They shouldn't do this IMHO. Manifest V3 is a horrible attempt to kill adblocking (under the banner of "security", as always). But, the web is completely unusable without adblocking. If there are no more (effective) adblockers for Chrome, users will franti…

Firefox is building MV3 and while they are coy with deprecating MV2, we all know, c'mon, they won't keep MV2 even a day after their minimum year promised. Their track record speaks against them. XPCOM extensions? Killed, but don't worry, we will re-implement all the needed APIs as WebExtensions (didn't happen). Fennec to Fenix mobile extensions? Killed, you get these 10 blessed ones, don't worry, we will eventually r…

Now that uMatrix development is inactive, this third strike could be their last for me.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

#30

Post by dagurp »

Multicomp wrote: post #16

It is such a bummer to me that Firefox is implementing MV3 and deprecating MV2[1]. Internet Explorer 6 never left, it just became Google Chrome*. Vivaldi? Killed, Chrome clone. Edge? Killed, Chrome clone. Brave? Killed, Chrome clone. Firefox? Technically a separate engine and in theory among the last hopes, but so sclerotic it follows Chrome in almost all of its decisions. (Can MV2 be kept as a stable basic-security-…

Vivaldi has been using MV3 for more than a year now and the adblocker works fine.

https://vivaldi.com/blog/ad-blocker-vivaldi-browser/

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