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They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by waqasx »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #6

I'm not saying Twitter is in the right here, but I'm not convinced by the article that Twitter is meaningfully increasing the danger to the OP. Is a corrupt government really going to avoid kidnapping/torturing someone because they're popular on Twitter?

it becomes far easier for the government to kidnap someone after these allegations are circulated. we have seen this countless times, to pave the path of illegal kidnappings detention and torture, they spread this negative propaganda and fake news first.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by politelemon »

bell-cot wrote: post #12

Sad to say, but people often [want|need|expect] a corporation to act as a [competent|reliable|trustworthy] [government|law-enforcement agency|court]. Corporations are very clearly none of those things, and generally have lots of disincentive against attempting to fake being any of those things.

They have plenty of incentive to fake being those things, and regularly do so, unless there are repercussions for doing that thing.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by ubukhary »

its interesting to see supporter of the previous govt who silenced most of the journalists and activists from twitter with heavy handed law enforcement tactics, now claiming to be a freedom of speech proponent

For those who do not know, PTI owned and operated largest bots and trolls network who habitually abused people who ever would disagree with them. Consider them TRUMP supporters like mentality people in Pakistan

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by waqasx »

ricardobeat wrote: post #20

I can see where he’s coming from, but Twitter is a media company. They are not directly responsible for anyone’s safety and have no reason to take down content that isn’t a direct threat or clear defamation. That’s the police or justice system’s job. An unfortunate situation but he is barking at the wrong tree it seems.

there is clear defamation. they are claiming that i work for intel agencies of foreign countries, which is not true.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by [deleted] »

waqasx wrote: post #11
thatguy0900 wrote: post #5

He complains that Twitter doesn't know local Pakistani politics, but what would be the answer in this case? Set up national moderation offices? In this very case, they would just say yeah he's a spy... Unless you want random unaccountable expats making judgment calls about your government

least Twitter can do is sensitize their moderators, or at least a subset of them, about local issues, maybe not to the level of making them regional experts, but enough so that they can tell a truth from a lie, a dangerous maligning campaign vs a fair critique. I dont think that is a hard problem.

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Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by Asooka »

ricardobeat wrote: post #20

I can see where he’s coming from, but Twitter is a media company. They are not directly responsible for anyone’s safety and have no reason to take down content that isn’t a direct threat or clear defamation. That’s the police or justice system’s job. An unfortunate situation but he is barking at the wrong tree it seems.

Twitter has already booted former president of the USA Donald Trump due to similar conduct. As they say, with great power, comes great responsibility. Twitter have shown themselves willing to wield their power for the good of the USA, thus they should also accept their responsibility for the good of all mankind.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by ricardobeat »

waqasx wrote: post #24
ricardobeat wrote: post #20

I can see where he’s coming from, but Twitter is a media company. They are not directly responsible for anyone’s safety and have no reason to take down content that isn’t a direct threat or clear defamation. That’s the police or justice system’s job. An unfortunate situation but he is barking at the wrong tree it seems.

there is clear defamation. they are claiming that i work for intel agencies of foreign countries, which is not true.

I sympathize with your situation but it doesn’t look that simple.

How could Twitter verify that claim? Who should they trust? If someone was indeed hired by another foreign agency, they might as well deny it for that persons own safety.

The same information war could be playing out on WhatsApp, Telegram, Facebook or other networks, TV, radio, newspapers.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by ricardobeat »

Asooka wrote: post #26
ricardobeat wrote: post #20

I can see where he’s coming from, but Twitter is a media company. They are not directly responsible for anyone’s safety and have no reason to take down content that isn’t a direct threat or clear defamation. That’s the police or justice system’s job. An unfortunate situation but he is barking at the wrong tree it seems.

Twitter has already booted former president of the USA Donald Trump due to similar conduct. As they say, with great power, comes great responsibility. Twitter have shown themselves willing to wield their power for the good of the USA, thus they should also accept their responsibility for the good of all mankind.

Trump was inciting civil unrest often, but I believe they set a terrible precedent by banning his account for the “I’m not attending the inauguration” tweet, based on a ton of very subtle inferences.

One cannot reasonably expect them to act as a fact checker & censor for the entire world, nor would that be desirable from a private corporation. What we need is better, regulated moderation systems, and a justice system that can keep up with the pace of social media.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by MichaelCollins »

Being realistic: if your life hangs by the thread of twitter moderation, you should either run and hide, or get your affairs in order. If they really want you dead, even the best possible twitter moderation won't keep you safe. This whole circumstance of people wanting you dead is not twitters fault and there is very little twitter could do to protect you even if their moderation was perfect.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by DoreenMichele »

I am sorry for the responses I am seeing on HN. People with cushy lives who've likely never faced similar danger seem to just not really get it.

I will say that your framing is one that most Westerners will have trouble taking seriously.

It might go over better to document known cases where this pattern occurred and show the similarities. Walk people through it like they are five, so to speak.

I know it's hard to do that kind of objective writing when you are feeling so threatened due to genuine threats, but in my experience that approach works better.

I know you didn't ask for advice. I apologize for my bad habit of trying to be helpful in the only way I know how.

I hope something improves soon.

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