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Why do some humans love chili peppers?

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Re: Why do some humans love chili peppers?

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Is the distinction between 'liking a thing' and 'enjoying the feeling induced by a thing' important?

1)humans like and enjoy sugar. 2)humans don't like jumping of a cliff but enjoy the thrill of doing it. spices are in the second category

Sounds like semantics.

Re: Why do some humans love chili peppers?

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I don't like pizza, it literally makes me fat. I enjoy the taste of pizza in large quantities.

The plant has evolved capsaicin as an animal deterrent as only birds can disperse chilli pepper seeds while animals digest the seeds. No other animal other than humans like chilli. Humans are an exception because we cook our food and cooking alters food chemistry in a such way that spices become desirable when mixed with meat or vegetables. You won't be able to eat even 50g of ripe red chillies freshly plucked from t…

> The plant has evolved capsaicin as an animal deterrent as only birds can disperse chilli pepper seeds while animals digest the seeds.

That's a common explanation but the article links to a study that supports another explanation, capsaicin having likely evolved for its antimicrobial properties instead:

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0802691105

Re: Why do some humans love chili peppers?

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the distinction between 'liking a thing' and 'enjoying the feeling induced by a thing' important?

1)humans like and enjoy sugar. 2)humans don't like jumping of a cliff but enjoy the thrill of doing it. spices are in the second category

I think the subset of humans that enjoy the thrill of jumping of cliffs would say, if asked 'what do you like to do in your spare time' in an interview or whatever, 'jumping off cliffs' (or whatever the sport name for it is).

It would take a pretty tedious person to say 'well I don't like jumping out of planes but I do enjoy the thrill of it, going HALO jumping next weekend if you ~want to join m~ might enjoy the thrill of joining me'.

Re: Why do some humans love chili peppers?

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1)humans like and enjoy sugar. 2)humans don't like jumping of a cliff but enjoy the thrill of doing it. spices are in the second category

I think the subset of humans that enjoy the thrill of jumping of cliffs would say, if asked 'what do you like to do in your spare time' in an interview or whatever, 'jumping off cliffs' (or whatever the sport name for it is). It would take a pretty tedious person to say 'well I don't like jumping out of planes but I do enjoy the thrill of it, going HALO jumping next weekend if you ~want to join m~ might enjoy the thr…

What's the point in looking for loopholes in my analogy lol. It was just what came up in my mind first.

Re: Why do some humans love chili peppers?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

1)humans like and enjoy sugar. 2)humans don't like jumping of a cliff but enjoy the thrill of doing it. spices are in the second category

Sounds like semantics.

Well it certainly is - that doesn't have to be bad or wrong. I'm just not convinced there's a semantic difference here employed by anyone but GP.

Re: Why do some humans love chili peppers?

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the subset of humans that enjoy the thrill of jumping of cliffs would say, if asked 'what do you like to do in your spare time' in an interview or whatever, 'jumping off cliffs' (or whatever the sport name for it is). It would take a pretty tedious person to say 'well I don't like jumping out of planes but I do enjoy the thrill of it, going HALO jumping next weekend if you ~want to join m~ might enjoy the thr…

What's the point in looking for loopholes in my analogy lol. It was just what came up in my mind first.

I'm not looking for loopholes, I think it's a fine analogy (because I would say 'I like chillies'!), I'm just trying to understand the distinction you're making, or rather what value/meaning it provides.

Re: Why do some humans love chili peppers?

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like pizza, it literally makes me fat. I enjoy the taste of pizza in large quantities.

The plant has evolved capsaicin as an animal deterrent as only birds can disperse chilli pepper seeds while animals digest the seeds. No other animal other than humans like chilli. Humans are an exception because we cook our food and cooking alters food chemistry in a such way that spices become desirable when mixed with meat or vegetables. You won't be able to eat even 50g of ripe red chillies freshly plucked from t…

You literally wrote:

> Humans don't like chilli pepper.

And now you write:

> No other animal other than humans like chilli.

Which one is it?

Also, there are different species, I've eaten lots of different chili, I've eaten whole raw Bhut Jolokias, that was not pleasant, I didn't like it, it hurt a lot and the taste was not nice either. Lots of milder species are lovely to eat raw, they have a mild burn which I do find enjoyable, and they have a fresh sweet flavor which tastes great.

Re: Why do some humans love chili peppers?

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The plant has evolved capsaicin as an animal deterrent as only birds can disperse chilli pepper seeds while animals digest the seeds. No other animal other than humans like chilli. Humans are an exception because we cook our food and cooking alters food chemistry in a such way that spices become desirable when mixed with meat or vegetables. You won't be able to eat even 50g of ripe red chillies freshly plucked from t…

> The plant has evolved capsaicin as an animal deterrent as only birds can disperse chilli pepper seeds while animals digest the seeds. That's a common explanation but the article links to a study that supports another explanation, capsaicin having likely evolved for its antimicrobial properties instead: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0802691105

It is an interesting study but why would an anti-microbial agent act as an animal deterrent. A goat or a monkey would disperse the seeds if not for capsaicin. I feel that there was some evolutionary pressure for selecting against animals consuming the fruit or else only some animals would feel effects of capsaicin and others would not.

Re: Why do some humans love chili peppers?

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I thought the author would revisit the 90s discovery of "supertasters," people who have a heightened sense of taste. (People who like hot peppers usually have a diminished taste sensitivity and are not supertasters.) https://apnews.com/article/ee0a2d08c57a937913c86f53541d0e80 https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/accounting-for-taste/

Re: Why do some humans love chili peppers?

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shouldn't it be most humans? China and India and most of asia have chilli peppers and so does africa. It is the minority that cannot tolerate chillies. prior to chillies, black pepper, ginger and garlic was used and if used in appropriate quantities gives you a similar result. chillies are just a lot more economical to grow.

pick a chilli from a plant and eat it like how an animal would do in the wild. you'll want to jump into a pond after that. The chilli plant evolved in such a way that humans don't like chilli pepper. Humans used cooking and drying and diluting and other modern methods to reduce the ill-effects of spices and enjoy its flavors in small quantities.

Raw jalepenos are not uncommon, I've eaten them often, including served that way in restaurants. Red chillis sometimes too, though not as much.
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