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Re: The gathering crisis in the UK

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Post by WaxProlix »

PaulHoule wrote: post #3

It's a bit like blaming the Democrats for the political crisis in the US but I have to ask "what the hell is wrong with Labor?" The Tories have dominated politics in the UK since the later 1970s except for the Blair administration, and Blair was an honorary Tory.

There's something wild going on there, too. Leaked documents have shown how their best chance at real Labour-style governance (Corbyn) was intentionally smeared from within as an antisemite, among other things, in order to torpedo his popularity. Instead, Labour has the hugely ineffectual Tory-esque Keir Starmer now. Feels very much like a managed opposition.

Re: The gathering crisis in the UK

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Post by Victerius »

actionfromafar wrote: post #17
Victerius wrote: post #9

The more time moves forward, the closer we are inching to a one-world government. Or is democracy too dangerous to be left in the hands of the people.

What, how?! Currently, it looks further than ever.

I don't see a way to solve humanity's problems with hundreds of governments each pursuing its own agenda.

Re: The gathering crisis in the UK

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Post by swader999 »

seibelj wrote: post #7

Green energy (except nuclear) is inefficient, expensive, irregular, and the money for it goes straight to China and developing nations who mine the rare earth elements. Even Germany finally backed off from de-commissioning their last nuclear plants as the Greens realized it was illogical. Need to remove red tape, stop controlling prices, de-regulate business, establish free trade agreements, and do all manner of thin…

Green energy will save the environment and save the poor decades from now when these sophisticated and complex climate and economic models predict the poor will really suffer from an apocalypse.

It is unfortunate that the poor will likely die at a higher rate in the next three years from reduced economic output, ESG induced famine, inflation and that Germany is back to coal and firewood in the short term. But realize it is for a greater future.

Re: The gathering crisis in the UK

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Post by ParksNet »

reb wrote: post #4

It’s eerie how similar the issues facing western nations are and how intractable the disagreements over solutions have become. Desperate balkanization coming for many, I think.

Can't usher in a new order if the old order is still functioning.

Re: The gathering crisis in the UK

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Post by pphysch »

throxaway wrote: post #19

I think when discussing this, it should be recognised that there is ample evidence that Russia has worked last several years to undermine the stability of western democracies. Brexit vote and resulting chaos being one glaring result. I am suggesting that we are just starting to understand the magnitude in which Russia has been able to cause havoc in the west by taking advantage of our freedoms. Link: https://en.m.wik…

Despite a 24/7 media campaign to suggest otherwise, there is no proof that Russia actually did this. The first line of your link agrees.

I think the relentless scapegoating by Western elite of Russia/China/Iran/COVID/$CURRENT_BOGEYMAN/etc. is the real problem. They are avoiding responsibility for a collapsing system, which is only going to allow that collapse to continue.

Re: The gathering crisis in the UK

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Post by ceeplusplus »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #5

"Brexit has delivered some deregulation, though: notably, the Conservative government ditched EU standards on effluent discharges, resulting in the (private) water companies discharging raw sewage into almost every river, and the seas around the UK coastline. So it is no longer safe to swim in UK waters." Holy crap! "the Bank of England are forecasting 13% inflation towards the end of the year." And we thought things…

> And we thought things were bad in the US.

That inflation is mostly driven by energy costs, which are a direct result of European policy failures on nuclear and fossil fuels. The US is mostly a net neutral producer/consumer of fossil fuels and energy, which is why it's insulated from the impacts of Russia cutting off gas.

Re: The gathering crisis in the UK

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Post by swader999 »

Victerius wrote: post #22
actionfromafar wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What, how?! Currently, it looks further than ever.

I don't see a way to solve humanity's problems with hundreds of governments each pursuing its own agenda.

Central planning across a large geography failed miserably and killed hundreds of millions in the 20th century. I'll take hundreds of localized solutions/experiments any day thanks.

Re: The gathering crisis in the UK

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Post by di4na »

puchatek wrote: post #11
UncleOxidant wrote: post #5

"Brexit has delivered some deregulation, though: notably, the Conservative government ditched EU standards on effluent discharges, resulting in the (private) water companies discharging raw sewage into almost every river, and the seas around the UK coastline. So it is no longer safe to swim in UK waters." Holy crap! "the Bank of England are forecasting 13% inflation towards the end of the year." And we thought things…

That cannot possibly be the only thing it delivered. The likes of Farage have been working on this thing for decades. They must be getting a lot more it of it

Yep. Less anti corruption

Re: The gathering crisis in the UK

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Post by airza »

throxaway wrote: post #19

I think when discussing this, it should be recognised that there is ample evidence that Russia has worked last several years to undermine the stability of western democracies. Brexit vote and resulting chaos being one glaring result. I am suggesting that we are just starting to understand the magnitude in which Russia has been able to cause havoc in the west by taking advantage of our freedoms. Link: https://en.m.wik…

I think if your country's politics can be this badly steamrolled by a kleptocracy with the GDP of Italy then maybe, just maybe, you live in a failed state.

Re: The gathering crisis in the UK

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Post by ebiester »

rgrieselhuber wrote: post #20
reb wrote: post #4

It’s eerie how similar the issues facing western nations are and how intractable the disagreements over solutions have become. Desperate balkanization coming for many, I think.

I always wonder why balkanization is described as "desperate" or some other extremely bad thing.

What percentage of these country breakups end up in some sort of destabilizing violence and lowered standards of living for a generation?
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