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Price of FSD will rise to $15k in North America on September 5th

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Re: Price of FSD will rise to $15k in North America on September 5th

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Post by bufferoverflow »

washbrain wrote: post #9
bin_bash wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever you think of Elon/Tesla this has been the plan for a long time and has nothing to do with inflation: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1117116982778679297

But why? Is it because the early adopters were paying for a product that would never work? Feels like a good opportunity for a class action...

Because as it gets better, it provides more value. In its completed form it basically replaces a driver. Calculate how much it would cost to have drivers capable of driving 20 hours/day (rest spent charging).

If they actually make it self-driving at a human level, it's value is clearly over $100K.

Re: Price of FSD will rise to $15k in North America on September 5th

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Post by mlyle »

epgui wrote: post #17
washbrain wrote: post #8

It's shocking to me that anyone would pay for this. Tesla has been selling fsd since 2014, and nearly a decade later they aren't that much closer. Between the low reliability, low build quality, and scammy practices, Tesla has turned their lead into a vulnerability. Once other manufacturers catch up to the battery range, Tesla will have their lunch eaten. And I say this as someone who has owned a Tesla for over 8 yea…

It would seem the market (and more current engineering and design reviews) disagrees with you!

There are many people who have bought FSD from Tesla, and have had their car reach end of life without ever getting to enjoy FSD.

It's possible after being "less than a year away" for... a decade... that it may be less than a year away now. But it looks like a bit of skepticism has been earned.

Re: Price of FSD will rise to $15k in North America on September 5th

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #19
washbrain wrote: post #8

It's shocking to me that anyone would pay for this. Tesla has been selling fsd since 2014, and nearly a decade later they aren't that much closer. Between the low reliability, low build quality, and scammy practices, Tesla has turned their lead into a vulnerability. Once other manufacturers catch up to the battery range, Tesla will have their lunch eaten. And I say this as someone who has owned a Tesla for over 8 yea…

What are you talking about? I watch FSD progress, and it's clearly getting closer to human level driving. Just go on YouTube and compare FSD from two years ago to the latest. It's night and day. Yes, it still makes mistakes. Humans make mistakes all the time while driving. As for build quality, we haven't had any major problems with our Model 3. It's a great car. Tesla has a media problem, where every little problem…

Maybe it’s getting closer but a lot of people bought this thing for their own cars, never getting access and some already sold the cars again.

Re: Price of FSD will rise to $15k in North America on September 5th

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Post by klyrs »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #19
washbrain wrote: post #8

It's shocking to me that anyone would pay for this. Tesla has been selling fsd since 2014, and nearly a decade later they aren't that much closer. Between the low reliability, low build quality, and scammy practices, Tesla has turned their lead into a vulnerability. Once other manufacturers catch up to the battery range, Tesla will have their lunch eaten. And I say this as someone who has owned a Tesla for over 8 yea…

What are you talking about? I watch FSD progress, and it's clearly getting closer to human level driving. Just go on YouTube and compare FSD from two years ago to the latest. It's night and day. Yes, it still makes mistakes. Humans make mistakes all the time while driving. As for build quality, we haven't had any major problems with our Model 3. It's a great car. Tesla has a media problem, where every little problem…

Does it work in rain, snow, and/or night? How about country roads and roads without clearly marked lanes or misleading lane lines?

It's like hiring a plumber who can only flush toilets, not install them. Self driving in pristine conditions is a party trick. Until it can do the hard part, it's nowhere near human-level.

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Post by princevegeta89 »

washbrain wrote: post #8

It's shocking to me that anyone would pay for this. Tesla has been selling fsd since 2014, and nearly a decade later they aren't that much closer. Between the low reliability, low build quality, and scammy practices, Tesla has turned their lead into a vulnerability. Once other manufacturers catch up to the battery range, Tesla will have their lunch eaten. And I say this as someone who has owned a Tesla for over 8 yea…

Scammy practices?

Re: Price of FSD will rise to $15k in North America on September 5th

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Post by epgui »

mlyle wrote: post #22
epgui wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would seem the market (and more current engineering and design reviews) disagrees with you!

There are many people who have bought FSD from Tesla, and have had their car reach end of life without ever getting to enjoy FSD. It's possible after being "less than a year away" for... a decade... that it may be less than a year away now. But it looks like a bit of skepticism has been earned.

I think the skepticism is reasonable, but that’s not really what my comment is about.

Re: Price of FSD will rise to $15k in North America on September 5th

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Post by davewritescode »

This is ultimately why I believe Elon Musk isn't the right guy to lead Tesla anymore and hasn't been for a while.

Car companies live and die by attracting new customers but also by bringing back existing customers. Lots of car brands bend over backwards to keep you coming back. When you fail to deliver what you've promised or significantly raise prices without delivering value in return, you're not building a loyal customer base.

Between this kind of thing and the way Tesla handles service, it's very clear they don't really give a damn about you as a customer after you've handed over your money.

Re: Price of FSD will rise to $15k in North America on September 5th

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Post by darknavi »

washbrain wrote: post #8

It's shocking to me that anyone would pay for this. Tesla has been selling fsd since 2014, and nearly a decade later they aren't that much closer. Between the low reliability, low build quality, and scammy practices, Tesla has turned their lead into a vulnerability. Once other manufacturers catch up to the battery range, Tesla will have their lunch eaten. And I say this as someone who has owned a Tesla for over 8 yea…

> Between the low reliability, low build quality

FWIW we have a 2018 Model 3 and a 2022 Model Y and both have had very minor or no manufacturer issues. Both have never needed anything other than minor, at home service from Tesla (mostly tire swaps).

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