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Silent crisis of soaring excess deaths in Britain is only tip of the iceberg

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Re: Silent crisis of soaring excess deaths in Britain is only tip of the iceberg

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Post by mike-the-mikado »

jajahusjsna wrote: post #8

Covid is one aspect of this. Another is the massive. underfunding of the NHS over the last decade. This has become much more evident post-covid thanks to the backlogs. - Getting a GP to see you in person is now quite difficult (they want to do everything via phone). - Seeing your GP (depending on your area) can involve a 2-3 week wait and waiting in an hours long phone queue. - When you are referred to hospital for t…

Funding, staff shortages and Brexit don't seem to get a mention in the article. The Government blames the NHS for the problems, but the NHS has no control over its funding. Tory idealogues are determined to increase privatisation, regardless of value for money.

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Post by scrlk »

jajahusjsna wrote: post #11
scrlk wrote: post #5

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People were repeatedly told to seek treatment when they needed it and not to be put off from going to A&E. It was a pretty regular topic on the daily press conferences.

That advice to seek treatment was drowned out by the "Stay Home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives" slogan that was repeated everywhere, along with use of death/infection numbers that were spun out of proportion by the media.

It is no surprise that people decided that the risk of seeking treatment was not worth it.

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Post by sudden_dystopia »

Wouldn’t a reasonable hypothesis try to rule out the vaccine? I’m not anti vaccine, I received the vaccine. But if excess death is creeping and it’s not Covid, would t that be one of the first things to rule out? They don’t even indicate that was ruled out, just completely ignored.

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Post by octoberfranklin »

pabs3 wrote: post #17
octoberfranklin wrote: post #15

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Here is an archive that doesn't require clicking through that: https://archive.ph/20220819154059/https://uk.news.yahoo.com/...

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Post by upsidesinclude »

verytrivial wrote: post #9

The word "funding" does not appear in this article. The NHS has been systematically underfunded since the Conservative entered power more than a decade ago. The crisis is real, but it is a political choice.

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Post by Hypocritelefty »

mike-the-mikado wrote: post #21
jajahusjsna wrote: post #8

Covid is one aspect of this. Another is the massive. underfunding of the NHS over the last decade. This has become much more evident post-covid thanks to the backlogs. - Getting a GP to see you in person is now quite difficult (they want to do everything via phone). - Seeing your GP (depending on your area) can involve a 2-3 week wait and waiting in an hours long phone queue. - When you are referred to hospital for t…

Funding, staff shortages and Brexit don't seem to get a mention in the article. The Government blames the NHS for the problems, but the NHS has no control over its funding. Tory idealogues are determined to increase privatisation, regardless of value for money.

No post body was provided.

Re: Silent crisis of soaring excess deaths in Britain is only tip of the iceberg

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Post by refurb »

jajahusjsna wrote: post #8

Covid is one aspect of this. Another is the massive. underfunding of the NHS over the last decade. This has become much more evident post-covid thanks to the backlogs. - Getting a GP to see you in person is now quite difficult (they want to do everything via phone). - Seeing your GP (depending on your area) can involve a 2-3 week wait and waiting in an hours long phone queue. - When you are referred to hospital for t…

Very similar to Canada as well. Healthcare funding was limited before Covid (12-24 months wait for joint replacement), but with the 2 year hiatus on screening and non-urgent procedures, plus mass burnout of healthcare workers the system is close to imploding.

Now it's pretty routine to just go to urgent care since it's unlikely you have a family doctor, ever. Rural hospitals and clinics are either reducing hours or just outright closing due to lack of staff.

The difference is there is no private healthcare in Canada (there is, but it's minuscule).

You either wait for the public system or you fly to the US.

I met a guy in Vancouver who was flying to the US to pay $36,000 to get his knee replaced because his doctor told him "the wait was 2 years before Covid, now? it's indefinite". Guy was a highly active 65 year old and realized $36,000 was cheap if it meant he didn't have to give up 5 years of his best remaining years waiting for the Canadian healthcare system.

Re: Silent crisis of soaring excess deaths in Britain is only tip of the iceberg

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Post by lolbutwhatno »

sudden_dystopia wrote: post #23

Wouldn’t a reasonable hypothesis try to rule out the vaccine? I’m not anti vaccine, I received the vaccine. But if excess death is creeping and it’s not Covid, would t that be one of the first things to rule out? They don’t even indicate that was ruled out, just completely ignored.

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