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Re: See what JavaScript commands get injected through an in-app browser

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Post by paxys »

sva_ wrote: post #9

I just don't understand how we can allow a Chinese social media app in the west, while any non-chinese social media apps aren't allowed there? Same with housing, why can Chinese nationals buy housing here, while I can't do so there?

People are going to reply to you with the usual "we are better than them", "we are a democracy" etc., but reciprocity clauses are very common in areas like international trade, travel, disarmament treaties, emissions control and lots more. In fact China would never have been allowed into the WTO (which happened in 2001) had they not made sweeping changes to their economy and assured the world that they would compete on a fair playing field, rules that they still (mostly) have to follow today. Requiring that American software companies have the same opportunities in China as Chinese ones enjoy in the USA is a perfectly sane position to take. In fact it is the fair and democratic one.

Of course politicians don't really understand tech enough to realize how quickly (and how unfairly) China is growing to dominate the space.

> Same with housing, why can Chinese nationals buy housing here, while I can't do so there?

Housing is a completely different conversation, and the answer there is that existing homeowners would never allow the influx of foreign cash into their local markets to stop, and they are the ones with all the influence in this country, not the renters or aspiring buyers.

Re: See what JavaScript commands get injected through an in-app browser

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Post by chitowneats »

londons_explore wrote: post #10
chitowneats wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The product/feature you're describing will never be implemented in their spyware. What incentive do they have to satisfy this feature request?

Imagine there was a competitor which did have this feature. And users appreciated it, and used it to discover more content that they were more interested in. Preventing that happening would be a good reason to implement it. Don't wait for someone else to implement something users like...

Those platforms already exist though.

TikTok's differentiating feature is that it ruthlessly serves up algorithmic content so it can collect data on the result of that interaction and iterate.

Feels like you're fundamentally breaking it if you remove that.

Re: See what JavaScript commands get injected through an in-app browser

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Post by noslenwerdna »

withinboredom wrote: post #15
sva_ wrote: post #9

I just don't understand how we can allow a Chinese social media app in the west, while any non-chinese social media apps aren't allowed there? Same with housing, why can Chinese nationals buy housing here, while I can't do so there?

Because it’s a sovereign country that makes its own rules? So, basically the same reason that you can’t just move to Italy because you feel like it.

And what is wrong with sovereign countries adopting reciprocal policies, as OP proposed?

Re: See what JavaScript commands get injected through an in-app browser

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Post by gmadsen »

londons_explore wrote: post #10
chitowneats wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The product/feature you're describing will never be implemented in their spyware. What incentive do they have to satisfy this feature request?

Imagine there was a competitor which did have this feature. And users appreciated it, and used it to discover more content that they were more interested in. Preventing that happening would be a good reason to implement it. Don't wait for someone else to implement something users like...

The sad fact of the matter is that you are wrong. People do not want that. No matter what their words say, their actions is what bring in the revenue

Re: See what JavaScript commands get injected through an in-app browser

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Post by ajross »

paxys wrote: post #21
sva_ wrote: post #9

I just don't understand how we can allow a Chinese social media app in the west, while any non-chinese social media apps aren't allowed there? Same with housing, why can Chinese nationals buy housing here, while I can't do so there?

People are going to reply to you with the usual "we are better than them", "we are a democracy" etc., but reciprocity clauses are very common in areas like international trade, travel, disarmament treaties, emissions control and lots more. In fact China would never have been allowed into the WTO (which happened in 2001) had they not made sweeping changes to their economy and assured the world that they would compete…

> reciprocity clauses are very common in areas like [...]

Distributing software for you to run on your own hardware is speech, though, and it's protected by the first amendment. You can license the distribution of your own software if you want, but you can't tell me I can't give you software if you want it.

Basically: how do you think this would work, in a way that wouldn't also make Linux or gcc or whatever available only at the whim of the government?

Re: See what JavaScript commands get injected through an in-app browser

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Post by toomanydoubts »

sva_ wrote: post #9

I just don't understand how we can allow a Chinese social media app in the west, while any non-chinese social media apps aren't allowed there? Same with housing, why can Chinese nationals buy housing here, while I can't do so there?

Besides what's been said already, did you consider that "the west" is a collection of countries from at least 3 continents, wgile China is a single country?

Also the fact that the entire world relies on China is a pretty good place to start.

Re: See what JavaScript commands get injected through an in-app browser

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Post by mensetmanusman »

sva_ wrote: post #9

I just don't understand how we can allow a Chinese social media app in the west, while any non-chinese social media apps aren't allowed there? Same with housing, why can Chinese nationals buy housing here, while I can't do so there?

Because China is ruled by technocrats who are probably book-smarter than Western politicians.

In the west you typically have to be rich to be a politician, in China you have to be smart, then you get rich(and ban the NYT when your corruption is uncovered).

Re: See what JavaScript commands get injected through an in-app browser

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Post by headsoup »

dinkledunk wrote: post #19
madrox wrote: post #13

I feel like there is a litany of the internet: "that which can be collected will be." That's been true since the beginning. What continues to surprise me is that people think only "bad guys" do it. This is why we continue to lock down browsers and provide ever narrower permission classes.

That's because only "bad guys" do this. If a "good buy" does this, they automatically become a "bad guy".

I think madrox is referring to 'good guys' as in Western countries vs China etc, not literal good guys and bad guys. That's a fairly common view, regardless of all the actual bad Western country leaderships' conduct.

Re: See what JavaScript commands get injected through an in-app browser

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Post by mywacaday »

paxys wrote: post #21
sva_ wrote: post #9

I just don't understand how we can allow a Chinese social media app in the west, while any non-chinese social media apps aren't allowed there? Same with housing, why can Chinese nationals buy housing here, while I can't do so there?

People are going to reply to you with the usual "we are better than them", "we are a democracy" etc., but reciprocity clauses are very common in areas like international trade, travel, disarmament treaties, emissions control and lots more. In fact China would never have been allowed into the WTO (which happened in 2001) had they not made sweeping changes to their economy and assured the world that they would compete…

Why is it unfair?
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