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Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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Re: Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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Not to minimize the impact to ocean life and the environment, but lost fishing gear costs money. The upside of which is that there is direct financial incentive to recover lost gear. I know nothing about this space, but a former coworker started a company about ten years ago in part to allow fishers to track and recover their gear: https://www.blueoceangear.com/

One report I read was that much of it was discarded as it got too damaged to use. So hardly an accidental loss.

Re: Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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There are starch-based "plastic" utensils that look/feel like a slightly more matte version of the plastic most people are used to. The school my partner works at used them as a trial for a year. They had straws, spoons, forks, knives and plates made from it. The problem is they are more expensive than regular plastic or paper/cardboard, and people in general seem to be unwilling to pay that bit extra to keep non-bio…

I wonder how they break down outside of a compost environment? My company uses "compostable" plastics which feel like normal plastic. I've used the same compostable clear plastic cup for months on end and it isn't showing any signs of degradation. I suspect it would break down in a proper compost pile(high temps and such) but outside of that environment it seems as durable as traditional plastic. Hopefully in an envi…

Our local composting company explicitly excludes compostable utensils and food containers. Compostable doesn't mean biodegradable. For example, compostable cardboard food containers may be coated with perfluoro compounds to prevent liquids from soaking into the cardboard. These don't biodegrade.

Re: Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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If only there was a way to convey liquids from handheld containers to your mouth without using a little tube!

This sounds pretty complicated

Sippy cups are underrated.

Re: Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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To place this in context, it's 50,000 tons/year of fishing waste, versus 200,000 tons/year of microplastics from car tires:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jul/14/car-tyre...

Further, microplastics enter the ecosystem far easier than the bulky big plastic from fishing gear, so the tire microplastics should be far more concerning to people.

It's really weird how cars get a pass for so much. Try to live a life without a car, and people think you are weird, and pass laws preventing you from building a community that is accessible without a car (at least in the US). And that's before we get to the violent deaths caused by car crashes, or the wheezing deaths caused by COPD, or the quality years of life reduced by asthma from cars...

Re: Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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It is so obvious, and has been known for years, yet the EU banned plastic straws because of the waste in the oceans, so now every drink tastes like a schoolbook. Well done EU...

> […] yet the EU banned plastic straws because of the waste in the oceans, so now every drink tastes like a schoolbook. Well done EU...

Issues are not the Highlander: there can be more than one. Single-use plastics just happen to be a problem as well.

And, for what it's worth, people who complain about paper straws remind me of sulky toddlers. Just FYI.

Re: Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are starch-based "plastic" utensils that look/feel like a slightly more matte version of the plastic most people are used to. The school my partner works at used them as a trial for a year. They had straws, spoons, forks, knives and plates made from it. The problem is they are more expensive than regular plastic or paper/cardboard, and people in general seem to be unwilling to pay that bit extra to keep non-bio…

I wonder how they break down outside of a compost environment? My company uses "compostable" plastics which feel like normal plastic. I've used the same compostable clear plastic cup for months on end and it isn't showing any signs of degradation. I suspect it would break down in a proper compost pile(high temps and such) but outside of that environment it seems as durable as traditional plastic. Hopefully in an envi…

My understanding is that they are starch and cellulose, so I'd expect them to eventually completely degrade like any other plant material. I'm not an expert, but that seems to be the point of products made with it.

Our liquor store (LCBO) used to have bags made from the same stuff. When our provincial premiere got everyone to charge 5c for each plastic bag, they just stopped using it entirely and went to paper bags. I liked those original compostable/recyclable ones because they were less stretchy and therefore less likely to break than normal plastic grocery bags, and way easier to carry because of the handles.

But the same reasoning applied - it was more expensive than paper bags, so that's all they use there now, too.

Re: Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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To place this in context, it's 50,000 tons/year of fishing waste, versus 200,000 tons/year of microplastics from car tires: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jul/14/car-tyre... Further, microplastics enter the ecosystem far easier than the bulky big plastic from fishing gear, so the tire microplastics should be far more concerning to people. It's really weird how cars get a pass for so much. Try to live a…

I'm not sure if it was your intent, but that comparison makes the fishing output seem even more outsized to me, given the size of the auto industry.

Re: Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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To place this in context, it's 50,000 tons/year of fishing waste, versus 200,000 tons/year of microplastics from car tires: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jul/14/car-tyre... Further, microplastics enter the ecosystem far easier than the bulky big plastic from fishing gear, so the tire microplastics should be far more concerning to people. It's really weird how cars get a pass for so much. Try to live a…

Do you need recommendations on places in the US you can work in tech without a car and still enjoy the community? Because I can speak from many years of experience, it's not a difficult life to setup for yourself.

Re: Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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It is 50,000 tons per year. In plastic recycling terms, not that much volume. A very large plastic recycling facility can do about 200,000 tons in a year. http://intelligentliving.co/worlds-largest-climate-neutral-p... A tractor trailer hauls roughly 20 tons - so all the sea nets in the world in a year could be hauled by 2,500 trailers. Not that much in the scheme of things.

Maybe you missed the part where it's IN THE OCEAN.

Re: Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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I wonder how they break down outside of a compost environment? My company uses "compostable" plastics which feel like normal plastic. I've used the same compostable clear plastic cup for months on end and it isn't showing any signs of degradation. I suspect it would break down in a proper compost pile(high temps and such) but outside of that environment it seems as durable as traditional plastic. Hopefully in an envi…

Our local composting company explicitly excludes compostable utensils and food containers. Compostable doesn't mean biodegradable. For example, compostable cardboard food containers may be coated with perfluoro compounds to prevent liquids from soaking into the cardboard. These don't biodegrade.

Yes, that also goes for paper cups with the wax coating. They don't biodegrade and they aren't recyclable because of the wax. That's probably the same coating you mention. It seems that this solution just replaces one problematic material with another when it coats something that would otherwise be biodegradable.
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