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FBI Searches Trump’s Home in Florida

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Re: FBI Searches Trump’s Home in Florida

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Post by joezydeco »

notch656a wrote: post #9

I strongly believe there is probable cause to be found that Trump committed crimes, but I can't help but ask if these hunts against former presidents are positive for the future peace and prosperity of America.

All we can hope is that we keep enough people with integrity and apolitical viewpoints as a buffer between the political parties and the White House.

This raid was certainly signed off by Christopher Wray, the director of the FBI.

Wray was appointed by Trump.

Feel free to call it a witch hunt, but you don't go into a warrant like this unless you are fairly certain of the outcome.

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Post by dekhn »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #8
bediger4000 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

January 6 wasn't enough? Just for fun, what would convince you? "Profound wrong" is a great phrase, but what specifically?

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This doesn't make sense. It's important for the government to prosecute criminals regardless of whether they are political opposition. Probably the best thing is to be abundantly transparent when doing so.

Re: FBI Searches Trump’s Home in Florida

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Post by dekhn »

koolba wrote: post #19
kccoder wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His call to Georgia asking them to "find" the precise number of votes to overturn Joe Biden's win in that state is probably the lowest hanging fruit. That being said, based on the reporting, this search warrant appears to be related to the fifteen boxes of material that were inappropriately taken from the White House. If he were charged and convicted of crimes related to that he would potentially be barred from ever…

> His call to Georgia asking them to "find" the precise number of votes to overturn Joe Biden's win in that state is probably the lowest hanging fruit. Here’s the whole transcript from the conversation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-... He opens by saying he believes there is a large amount of fraudulent mail in ballots that would not match the signatures on record. And he keeps asking t…

The word describing your comments is 'obtuse'. Are you knowingly ignoring the copious evidence from Trump's own henchman about his intents and desires here? Multiple people with direct involvement have said on the record that Trump repeatedly tried to subvert the election.

The persecution of trump is not being carried to out distract people from the current administration. That's just nonsense. If you truly believe that, I'm not going to try to convince you, and further I think you're wasting people's time on this site by pretending you're being reasonable or responsible.

Re: FBI Searches Trump’s Home in Florida

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Post by notch656a »

joezydeco wrote: post #21
notch656a wrote: post #9

I strongly believe there is probable cause to be found that Trump committed crimes, but I can't help but ask if these hunts against former presidents are positive for the future peace and prosperity of America.

All we can hope is that we keep enough people with integrity and apolitical viewpoints as a buffer between the political parties and the White House. This raid was certainly signed off by Christopher Wray, the director of the FBI. Wray was appointed by Trump. Feel free to call it a witch hunt, but you don't go into a warrant like this unless you are fairly certain of the outcome.

I just hope this doesn't turn into a trolley problem where one side of the tracks is justice dying and the other side is mass violence and instability.

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Post by thesis »

bediger4000 wrote: post #16
koolba wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Watch the January 6th hearings if there is any doubt in your mind. The evidence is laid out quite clearly. If you can’t even summarize a crime in one sentence then it’s anything but “quite clear”.

Say it with me: "Trump tried to stay in power via a violent coup."

Editing to not be so snarky.

I can’t wrap my head around the coup thing. Trump said peacefully go to the capitol. So a bunch of people some which were let into the capitol (there’s a recent Jan 6 defendant let go due to the judge agreeing with this defense) went in. How could this lead to a coup or taking over the government?

Is our country so fragile that occupying 1 building brings the whole system down?

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Post by kmos17 »

notch656a wrote: post #9

I strongly believe there is probable cause to be found that Trump committed crimes, but I can't help but ask if these hunts against former presidents are positive for the future peace and prosperity of America.

Making sure no one is above the law is a cornerstone of our legal system, so I would argue it is in fact essential. Of course this is assuming there must be really strong probable cause in this case.

Re: FBI Searches Trump’s Home in Florida

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Post by hotpotamus »

notch656a wrote: post #9

I strongly believe there is probable cause to be found that Trump committed crimes, but I can't help but ask if these hunts against former presidents are positive for the future peace and prosperity of America.

I'm going to suggest that to the police next time I commit a crime.
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