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Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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FWIW I live in Europe now and am enjoying it XD, but I still call a spade a spade. I just hope Germany pulls its head of its ass before it supports China's ascension to global supremacy. We told them not to overly rely on Russian gas for like 40 years but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm sure. It's really a lovely place full of lovely people. And the standard of living is still relatively high. They are their own worst enemies sadly.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Those US companies are free to not be on the EU market, just saying

This sword cuts both ways. US can also stop sales of Airbuses, Volkswagens, IKEA furniture etc. under some fishy premise. If EU does that to US companies, why shouldn’t US do it to EU ones? This kind of tit for tat trade war would be a loss to everyone compared to cooperation, but is still preferred to cooperating with a defector.

Comparable move could be for US to forbid using EU hosted services to ie. store medical records of US citizens etc., no?

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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isn't the crux of the matter the all-reaching laws of the US that allows their intelligence agencies to order EU-subsidiaries of US companies to offer up their data..?

I would be frankly shocked if EU countries did not have the same laws on the book. If German court serves Volkswagen AG a warrant for data kept by Volkswagen America, can Volkswagen AG just not comply?

They can fight in an american court. The issue is the cloud act which was passed explicitly to fight eu companies fighting in eu courts us govt data requests.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Isn’t this sort of what we accuse the Chinese of doing? The US designs the technology and then the Chinese manufacturers steal that design to make their own? Except now, the EU is more or less forcing American companies to sell unaffiliated spin-offs to the EU to continue doing business there. Seems a bit underhanded to change the rules now after so long, especially considering the fact that the EU can’t make these c…

I hope you are aware that "the cloud" is not some secret, mysterious piece of technology that the EU can't figure out. We have software engineers as well as data centers and EU-based cloud companies. Digital consumer networks were established here long before the U.S and the internet was invented here. Your arrogance is grating.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Looking for an informed opinion; what are the practical consequences for European companies using American cloud providers (which I guess is most of them) ?

Immediate consequences... None. While all of your competitors are still using american cloud services, you won't get fined.

But as soon as competitors start moving to european hosting solutions, you need to too - because if you're slow to move over you can bet the courts will be chasing after people with fines.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Isn’t this sort of what we accuse the Chinese of doing? The US designs the technology and then the Chinese manufacturers steal that design to make their own? Except now, the EU is more or less forcing American companies to sell unaffiliated spin-offs to the EU to continue doing business there. Seems a bit underhanded to change the rules now after so long, especially considering the fact that the EU can’t make these c…

I wouldn't say so.

Restricting the sale or transfer of personal data to a foreign-held company that can and will obey foreign laws with regards to that data is, I think, perfectly fair.

The dances companies go through to appear local or non-local with shell companies is an abuse of the intent of many laws.

Microsoft/Google/Amazon/etc. probably can figure out how to operate in Europe to comply with the intent of the law, but it might require a rather large actual separation of interests rather than a shallow apparent one.

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Isn’t this sort of what we accuse the Chinese of doing? The US designs the technology and then the Chinese manufacturers steal that design to make their own? Except now, the EU is more or less forcing American companies to sell unaffiliated spin-offs to the EU to continue doing business there. Seems a bit underhanded to change the rules now after so long, especially considering the fact that the EU can’t make these c…

This is rich coming from America.

America engages at global level surveillance. American corporations can be coerced with a single national security level to spy on their customers. Ergo they are untrustworthy and should not be used.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Isn’t this sort of what we accuse the Chinese of doing? The US designs the technology and then the Chinese manufacturers steal that design to make their own? Except now, the EU is more or less forcing American companies to sell unaffiliated spin-offs to the EU to continue doing business there. Seems a bit underhanded to change the rules now after so long, especially considering the fact that the EU can’t make these c…

Those US companies are free to not be on the EU market, just saying

Why should they? Europe signed free trade agreements and promised they would open their markets to the USA if the USA reciprocated. Excluding American companies from doing business seems a pretty big violation of this. I guess EU is free to cancel those free trade agreements, but they aren't free to just ignore them and just make it illegal for American companies to do business in Europe because of privacy rules that exclude American companies purely on the fact that they are American.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sword cuts both ways. US can also stop sales of Airbuses, Volkswagens, IKEA furniture etc. under some fishy premise. If EU does that to US companies, why shouldn’t US do it to EU ones? This kind of tit for tat trade war would be a loss to everyone compared to cooperation, but is still preferred to cooperating with a defector.

Comparable move could be for US to forbid using EU hosted services to ie. store medical records of US citizens etc., no?

No, because Germany doesn't have that big of an IT space. Aerospace and automotive would be good sectors to hit back with because they are more relatively important to Germany as IT is for the US.
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