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A Phoenix record store owner set the audiophile world on fire

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Re: A Phoenix record store owner set the audiophile world on fire

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>(more than are on a standard CD) Sorry, but CD (16bit PCM) has better dynamic range than vinyl. The best vinyl systems can have dynamic range of around 80dB. 16bit PCM is 96dB.

Unless it’s brick-wall normalized during mastering.

Which is not an issue with the digital format, but with the mastering.

Re: A Phoenix record store owner set the audiophile world on fire

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That whole line of thinking just blows me away. It's possible to accurately sample and reproduce any vinyl recording in the digital realm. It's absolutely not possible to accurately record every digital recording onto vinyl. For instance, it's not hard at all to make bass so loud that it causes the needle to leap out of the track, or treble so high that the needle can't accurately track the high frequency vibrations.…

Most of the time people will argue that vinyl has "warmth" and this makes it subjectively better. This is true, but it's actually because of the pleasing distortion record players add to the music. Being distortion, even if it improves your listening experience (and this depends on genre, though it generally does), it is certainly objectively worse in terms of accurate reproduction.

Exactly. If you like that warmth, awesome. There's not a thing wrong with that. It's when people confuse "warm" for "better" that the problems start.

Re: A Phoenix record store owner set the audiophile world on fire

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Digital was a badge of honor back in the 80s and 90s when CDs were new. No hiss, better sound. They Used to label CDs with 3 letters (the SARS code) : A for analog D for digital. For recording, mixing and mastering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARS_code

We had a high school radio station (10 Watts, mono FM). One kid had all these great classic rock albums he was getting from his neighbor who was giving him them when he got the redone CD versions.

Even my old Sony V6 headphones have a "For Digital" sticker on them which thinking about it is pure marketing.

I mean we tried A/B testing when I was kid, CD vs Cassettes. The Cassettes with dolbyC sounded better when recorded from CD onto decent tapes (they were a little louder) and it was hard to tell the difference anyway. Maybe in the quiet passages you could hear hiss... CDs were a better format though and we knew it. Becuase cars and cd walkmans were rare, my CDs were often copied to cassettes.

At some point its good enough, just enjoy the performance.

Re: A Phoenix record store owner set the audiophile world on fire

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"The fallout of the MoFi revelation has thrown the audiophile community into something of an existential crisis. The quality of digitized music has long been criticized because of how much data was stripped out of files so MP3s could fit on mobile devices. But these days, with the right equipment, digital recordings can be so good they can fool even the best ears. Many of MoFi’s now-exposed records were on Fremer and…

That whole line of thinking just blows me away. It's possible to accurately sample and reproduce any vinyl recording in the digital realm. It's absolutely not possible to accurately record every digital recording onto vinyl. For instance, it's not hard at all to make bass so loud that it causes the needle to leap out of the track, or treble so high that the needle can't accurately track the high frequency vibrations.…

> 100% fine for someone to say that they subjectively prefer the sound quality of a record player to a CD

It's not intellectually fine, only fine in the sense that it's well within the bounds of free speech.

Re: A Phoenix record store owner set the audiophile world on fire

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"The fallout of the MoFi revelation has thrown the audiophile community into something of an existential crisis. The quality of digitized music has long been criticized because of how much data was stripped out of files so MP3s could fit on mobile devices. But these days, with the right equipment, digital recordings can be so good they can fool even the best ears. Many of MoFi’s now-exposed records were on Fremer and…

That whole line of thinking just blows me away. It's possible to accurately sample and reproduce any vinyl recording in the digital realm. It's absolutely not possible to accurately record every digital recording onto vinyl. For instance, it's not hard at all to make bass so loud that it causes the needle to leap out of the track, or treble so high that the needle can't accurately track the high frequency vibrations.…

That's the main reason I really like vinyl. Physics prevents the mastering engineers from going overly crazy. Vinyl often sounds more carefully mastered, even though nothing would technically prevent you from releasing the same thing in digital form.

The other thing I like is that it really takes more effort to put on a record than start a track on Spotify. I really only do it when I can take the time to do so. Pick a record from the shelf, carefully take it out of the sleeve, carefully put it down on the turntable, and then really listen to a full record while sitting or lying on the couch doing nothing else. Again nothing you couldn't do with Spotify or YouTube music, but somehow you (well, at least I) never do.

Re: A Phoenix record store owner set the audiophile world on fire

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Syd Schwartz, Mobile Fidelity’s chief marketing officer, made an apology.

“Mobile Fidelity makes great records, the best-sounding records that you can buy,” he said. “There had been choices made over the years and choices in marketing that have led to confusion and anger and a lot of questions, and there were narratives that had been propagating for a while that were untrue or false or myths. We were wrong not to have addressed this sooner.”

That sure is a lot of words to say “Yeah, uh, we lied, and we got caught. Sorry.” All these “choices” and “narratives” that just sort of… appeared… without any source to them.

Re: A Phoenix record store owner set the audiophile world on fire

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"The fallout of the MoFi revelation has thrown the audiophile community into something of an existential crisis. The quality of digitized music has long been criticized because of how much data was stripped out of files so MP3s could fit on mobile devices. But these days, with the right equipment, digital recordings can be so good they can fool even the best ears. Many of MoFi’s now-exposed records were on Fremer and…

Not only can you not tell the difference between analogue and digital, you also cannot tell the difference between lossless and properly transcoded MP3.

Most audiophile mania is poorly informed at best and astrology at worst.

http://abx.digitalfeed.net/

Re: A Phoenix record store owner set the audiophile world on fire

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That whole line of thinking just blows me away. It's possible to accurately sample and reproduce any vinyl recording in the digital realm. It's absolutely not possible to accurately record every digital recording onto vinyl. For instance, it's not hard at all to make bass so loud that it causes the needle to leap out of the track, or treble so high that the needle can't accurately track the high frequency vibrations.…

That's the main reason I really like vinyl. Physics prevents the mastering engineers from going overly crazy. Vinyl often sounds more carefully mastered, even though nothing would technically prevent you from releasing the same thing in digital form. The other thing I like is that it really takes more effort to put on a record than start a track on Spotify. I really only do it when I can take the time to do so. Pick…

I listened to "Disintegration" last week exactly like that, but with Apple Music. It was the first time I'd listened to an album start-to-finish in years, and I highly recommend it.

I like not having to flip the record halfway through, or being able to listen to "The Wall" without 3 flips.

Re: A Phoenix record store owner set the audiophile world on fire

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"The fallout of the MoFi revelation has thrown the audiophile community into something of an existential crisis. The quality of digitized music has long been criticized because of how much data was stripped out of files so MP3s could fit on mobile devices. But these days, with the right equipment, digital recordings can be so good they can fool even the best ears. Many of MoFi’s now-exposed records were on Fremer and…

That whole line of thinking just blows me away. It's possible to accurately sample and reproduce any vinyl recording in the digital realm. It's absolutely not possible to accurately record every digital recording onto vinyl. For instance, it's not hard at all to make bass so loud that it causes the needle to leap out of the track, or treble so high that the needle can't accurately track the high frequency vibrations.…

What’s really funny about this is that although CDs objectively can present a greater dynamic range, the loudness wars have created a lot of highly compressed CDs that do sound worse than a lot of vinyl, where it often seems that more cars is taken with mastering because of the limitations of the medium. Additionally, a lot of early 80s albums sound better on vinyl because digital mastering wasn’t as good then. It is an absolutely night and day difference between my vinyl copy of Unknown Pleasures and my CD.
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