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US Anti-Robocall Litigation Task Force

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Re: US Anti-Robocall Litigation Task Force

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post #7

1) Let my filter out all calls not originating on an US/Canadian landline/mobile carrier 2) Yes, I’m happy to lose all calls that come via VoIP. 3) I don’t answer my phone anymore, so I miss those calls anyway 4) I’m very happy to sacrifice 1% of signal for 100% of noise

>Yes, I’m happy to lose all calls that come via VoIP

At that point, why not just block everything other than contacts?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The effective result of GDPR has been less than ideal, but was a step in the right direction. Abolishing it entirely in favor of a vacuum would carry a more weighty cost.

The frustrating part is that the unintended consequences of GDPR were inevitable and clearly foreseeable, yet it was passed into law anyway and now it's incredibly difficult (if not practically impossible) to fix through iterative adjustment. It often seems like politicians and bureaucrats are incapable of seeing the myriad ways their well-intended rules will fail in the real-world. Maybe all legislation should first…

It doesn't have to be disruptive to users, companies go out of their way to make it disruptive. As others here have said, companies can just stop adding code to track users and stop storing so much information. It's actually way less work.

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It's absolutely insane that they are so ineffective. Major phone networks should be held responsible. I've been getting texts like crazy from spammer tries to get me to click their links. The messages are 100% identical and would be trivial to block.

The fact they are identical making it trivial today only.

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post #13

90% of those scam calls originate from one city in India- Kolkata. It’s a state that has had communist rule for over 30 years and now a government which also runs on anti-corporate agenda. As a result there are no industries and all jobs have dried up in that state of West Bengal. This is the only industry left and the local government and police turn a blind eye since they get kickbacks and is the only source of inc…

It's interesting that failed communist regimes often seem to be succeeded by kleptocracies. I wonder if any political scientists have studied this and can explain why.

You need an economist to explain it, not a political "scientist".

Communism does not produce globally competitive industries. So the only thing left to do is either to steal and pillage what is left or work in an industry that has local demand like food or energy. Those tend not to be very attractive jobs.

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post #18

It is unfortunate that the cellular companies have allowed their core product (voice calls) to be so devalued that they need to be forced to solve this problem instead of just doing it naturally. The carriers are clearly customer-hostile, as this is really a very solvable problem. Instead, we now are moving to alternate mechanisms to manage audio calls (eg: Signal, Whatsapp, Facebook, etc.). My wide-open Verizon cell…

to the point, I used to refer to the device as a mobile phone or cell phone. now, because I so rarely use the "phone" app, it is just now my "device". 99% of the time my phone app gives me notifications is SPAM LIKELY reaching out to me, but won't take the hint that we broke up years ago and I have zero interest in touching base and catching up. however, if anyone of my known contacts actually uses the phone app to reach me, i know it must be significant to not use a text/chat app like 99.9% of our typical interactions take place.

times have changed for phone calls, but the lack of Anti-Spam from these providers only hastened the change away from their core service

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It's absolutely insane that they are so ineffective. Major phone networks should be held responsible. I've been getting texts like crazy from spammer tries to get me to click their links. The messages are 100% identical and would be trivial to block.

From other areas where spam is prevalent, I think it's an arms race issue.

Sure, right now, that spam that's identical every time would be easy to detect and block. But if it's blocked, they start adding variation. Block that too and they get more and more creative. Every time a way to block the spam is found, the spammers just get more creative with getting around it. It's an arms race, and is essentially un-beatable because the spammers outnumber those trying to stop them by a magnitude or two.

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post #9

This spring I was applying for jobs so I answered my phone for more unknown numbers than usual. This has lead to a huge increase in spam calls that I receive on a daily basis and Google Phone's spam filter isn't strict enough for my liking (not to mention no longer available since I'm running GrapheneOS). If you're an Android and Tasker user you can take matters into your own hands and set Tasker as your call screen…

Are we at a place where as potential new hire candidates, we request a formal meeting to be scheduled or a quick text to let us know that the next call is legit? Or is it acceptable to tell hiring managers via checkbox on applications to say that all calls will be screened via voice mail, but will be checked with anticipation of it being a call to be returned promptly?

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#29
post #18

It is unfortunate that the cellular companies have allowed their core product (voice calls) to be so devalued that they need to be forced to solve this problem instead of just doing it naturally. The carriers are clearly customer-hostile, as this is really a very solvable problem. Instead, we now are moving to alternate mechanisms to manage audio calls (eg: Signal, Whatsapp, Facebook, etc.). My wide-open Verizon cell…

I feel like the legacy POTS system does more harm to society than good. Step back and imagine the web without SSL. Think of the sheer scale of fraud and abuse that would run rampant. That's the service phone carriers are operating right now.

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post #13

90% of those scam calls originate from one city in India- Kolkata. It’s a state that has had communist rule for over 30 years and now a government which also runs on anti-corporate agenda. As a result there are no industries and all jobs have dried up in that state of West Bengal. This is the only industry left and the local government and police turn a blind eye since they get kickbacks and is the only source of inc…

It's interesting that failed communist regimes often seem to be succeeded by kleptocracies. I wonder if any political scientists have studied this and can explain why.

I'll cite Conquest's 3rd law: The behavior of any bureaucratic organization can best be understood by assuming that it is controlled by a secret cabal of its enemies.

That's not exactly explanatory, though. Any time a position is powerful or enriching well beyond the extent to which it serves others, the people optimizing to seek out and attain those positions are those who want the power and wealth, rather than those who care about the organization's mission. For those people, the original mission is, at best, a distraction, and at worst actively antithetical to their personal goals.

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