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In Supreme Court brief, Yale and peers defend use of race in admissions

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Re: In Supreme Court brief, Yale and peers defend use of race in admissions

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Post by beachtaxidriver »

ramesh31 wrote: post #8
vorpalhex wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't give one racial group a disadvantage (Asians) to give another one an advantage. The phrase "robbing Peter to pay Paul" comes to mind.

>The phrase "robbing Peter to pay Paul" comes to mind. Asian immigrants are not struggling to escape the clutches of centuries old intergenerational poverty. It's not even remotely the same thing.

But... They are. At least the newly arrived ones are.

Re: In Supreme Court brief, Yale and peers defend use of race in admissions

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Post by colinmhayes »

vorpalhex wrote: post #6
ramesh31 wrote: post #3

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You can't give one racial group a disadvantage (Asians) to give another one an advantage. The phrase "robbing Peter to pay Paul" comes to mind.

Why not? While Asian immigrants certainly face discrimination they have also certainly experienced much less than black Americans have over the last 300 years.

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Post by throwayyy479087 »

ramesh31 wrote: post #8
vorpalhex wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't give one racial group a disadvantage (Asians) to give another one an advantage. The phrase "robbing Peter to pay Paul" comes to mind.

>The phrase "robbing Peter to pay Paul" comes to mind. Asian immigrants are not struggling to escape the clutches of centuries old intergenerational poverty. It's not even remotely the same thing.

Man do I have news for you about the level in East Asia until ~30 years ago

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Post by drstewart »

ceejayoz wrote: post #10
dbsights wrote: post #5

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Same reason we should have had a problem with it then. If racism is wrong, then it shouldn't matter which race.

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No, it's a little like physical abusing someone for decades and then saying you need to let their kids physically abuse your kids to make it even

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Post by MrZander »

ramesh31 wrote: post #3

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Because our society has also agreed that using race as the sole reason to determine an outcome is a bad idea. Hence, the civil rights act which "makes it illegal to discriminate against someone on the basis of race".

Why should we now fly in the face of that in order to advance one race at the expense of others?

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Post by mbg721 »

tinus_hn wrote: post #4
ramesh31 wrote: post #3

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Racism is racism.

No, you see, some races are okay to discriminate against, and others aren't. Seeing the entire world through the lens of race is morally preferable as long as it leads to the right outcome.

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Post by golemotron »

ramesh31 wrote: post #8
vorpalhex wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't give one racial group a disadvantage (Asians) to give another one an advantage. The phrase "robbing Peter to pay Paul" comes to mind.

>The phrase "robbing Peter to pay Paul" comes to mind. Asian immigrants are not struggling to escape the clutches of centuries old intergenerational poverty. It's not even remotely the same thing.

I've spent a lot of time in Asia. For most of the continent, there's no history of anything else but poverty.

Re: In Supreme Court brief, Yale and peers defend use of race in admissions

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Post by svnpenn »

I think considering race is fine, depending on how you use that information. If you use it to make the group less diverse, that is bad. If you use it to make the group more diverse, that is good.

Does that mean that some students with higher grades/income/whatever get excluded? Yes. However grades shouldn't be the only factor in this decision. It seems that the schools are taking a holistic approach to admittance, and I support that. Granted with the Loughlin situation, school admittance practices should certainly be scrutinized. However it seems they might be on the right side at least on this one specific issue.

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