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The Fourth Operation: What Comes After Exponentiation

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Re: The Fourth Operation: What Comes After Exponentiation

#21
If addition is "the first operation", then "increment" is the zeroth operation. You know, counting 1,2,3,4.

If we define multiplication as repeated addition, then we define addition as repeated increment, where A + B is: start at zero, increment A times then B times.

Re: The Fourth Operation: What Comes After Exponentiation

#22
Notationwise this is not so great. Yet another special syntax, the subscript, is used for expressing an operation. And subscript is already used for multiple purposes, even with my limited math knowledge: base of logarithm and labels for selecting a part of something bigger, like a matrix.

Notationwise it would be good to do as some computer languages do and just use a name and wrap everything: (+ (* (^ (_ something D) C) B) A) = imagine this one graphically: ((((something_D)^C) * B) + A). No ambiguity, no question in what order to apply operations.

Re: The Fourth Operation: What Comes After Exponentiation

#25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Irrational numbers are limits of sequences of rational numbers. Multiplying two real numbers is simply taking the limit of a sequence of multiplications between rational numbers that converge to the two real ones.

That's a pretty far departure from the original "multiplication is just repeated addition". Regardless, I don't think any student would find it helpful to hear "Multiplying two real numbers is simply taking the limit of a sequence of multiplications between rational numbers that converge to the two real ones". In my country irrational numbers are introduced two or three years before limits so you couldn't teach it in…

It's a kind of generalization of repeated addition. Once you've been taught about π, you know that 2π lies between 23 and 24, without being told about limits. It may not be rigorous, but it's a good start.

You can't teach "the truth" (whatever you hold that to be). It would set back education instead of advancing it. In this case too, perfect is the enemy of good.

Re: The Fourth Operation: What Comes After Exponentiation

#28

I wonder why exponentials are so common in nature/physics but tetration is not

Exponentials come up quite naturally from differential equations because it's often suprisingly useful to talk about something's rate of change in terms of itself. As far as I know there's no similar connection with tetration.

Re: The Fourth Operation: What Comes After Exponentiation

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To clarify where I live limits are introduced in high school, irrational numbers just much earlier.

You don't need a rigorous notion of limits to informally notice that irrationals have arbitrarily close rational approximations, e.g. by adding successive digits.

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Re: The Fourth Operation: What Comes After Exponentiation

#30
One of my favorite explanations of some of these concepts is Wait-but-why's explanation of Grahm's Number [0]. It breaks this concept down in a way that's very accessible to people like me who have a pretty limited grasp of many of these mathematical concepts.

[0] https://waitbutwhy.com/2014/11/1000000-grahams-number.html

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