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Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by dhughes »

overgard wrote: post #5

I'm somewhat of a new mac user, so I can't speak historically, but I will say that lion was quite a downgrade. It broke things that were previously working fine (my network drivers and my dev tools), removed useful features (rosetta), and really didn't add anything new that I care about. I never use the app store; I dislike mission control; really the only thing I actually like is the better window resizing.

I'm very new to Mac I just got a Macbook about two months ago it's my first ever apple computer. I got it to become familiar with it since I like to be familiar it and other operating systems.

My first impression after using Linux as my primary OS for the last ten plus years is OS X is very Linux-like in behaviour.

But I feel like I am in a glossy, trendy prison with a guard constantly next to me. Everything works well because it was all made by Apple or at least with hardware it was hand-picked by Apple to work with their OS. If Linux or Windows made a computer and the hardware was specifically hand-picked for each OS version I'm sure it also would run as smooth and be as glossy as OS X.

Rebooting after software updates was alien to me (use Ksplice on Linux) but I figured OS X was BSD/Unix based and never expected so many reboots for simple things.

I never use the App store either because I don't see why I need to enter my credit card information to update a free app.

Plus the lack of real separate delete and backspace keys is driving me crazy! (yes I know fn+delete is Win/Linux "delete")

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by sirn »

doe88 wrote: post #16
shadowfiend wrote: post #8

There may be a good point hiding there, but I don't think he made it particularly well. He argues that OS X is getting worse. His specific complaint was that he couldn't find the Library folder to delete his mail. Two things to keep in mind: first off, people who set up Mail extremely rarely will want to delete their email. So on the list of use cases to optimize for, that one lives near the bottom of the ladder. Sec…

Overally I don't consider 10.7 being worse than 10.6, I'm ignoring Mission Control stuffs as I was ignoring Exposé. But there is one thing I find it maddening above all is the settings and behavior of Terminal.app, I understand _nothing_, this is insane. The behavior of Terminal.app is insane, it's even harder to explain since I fail to understand its logic.

What's wrong with Terminal.app behavior?

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by doe88 »

aw9994 wrote: post #18
doe88 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Overally I don't consider 10.7 being worse than 10.6, I'm ignoring Mission Control stuffs as I was ignoring Exposé. But there is one thing I find it maddening above all is the settings and behavior of Terminal.app, I understand _nothing_, this is insane. The behavior of Terminal.app is insane, it's even harder to explain since I fail to understand its logic.

Check out iTerm2 if Terminal.app isn't doing it for you anymore. http://www.iterm2.com/

Thanks for the tip will definitively try it out.

Edit: Wow I just put my shell command /bin/zsh and the default behavior seems to fit my needs without reading all the options. It closes all the tabs when I quit, it doesn't keep a kind of useless history displayed when I start a new session, the theme thing works right away. Thanks, I will be using it from now on.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by ugh »

hackoder wrote: post #19

For those criticizing- He has given one example of what he thinks is wrong. Not all posts are meant to be essays... Briefly though, (as another user who switched from Mac OS X), I can certainly give examples of what he says: Not all of these are specific to OS X, its the overall hardware and software that is getting frustrating. More user-hostile - If you replace your SuperDrive with another drive, you CAN NOT boot a…

“We all know how annoying the switch to Mission Control was, right?”

No, we certainly don’t. I love Mission control and I think it’s an improvement over Exposé. Don’t pretend I’m agreeing with you.

For me personally Lion has been a solid improvement. Quite a few things that used to suck about OS X still suck but I have seen nothing but improvements or neutral changes with Lion. (Yeah, I have some minor quibbles, but mostly about apps I hardly ever use anyway.) I had no technical issues at all. Again, that’s for me personally.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by ramanujan »

hackoder wrote: post #19

For those criticizing- He has given one example of what he thinks is wrong. Not all posts are meant to be essays... Briefly though, (as another user who switched from Mac OS X), I can certainly give examples of what he says: Not all of these are specific to OS X, its the overall hardware and software that is getting frustrating. More user-hostile - If you replace your SuperDrive with another drive, you CAN NOT boot a…

Worst parts of Lion over OS X:

1) Removed "Save As". You now have to duplicate and then save the file.

2) Smaller resize/minimize/"maximize" buttons.

3) The green maximize button still doesn't maximize.

4) Switched default behavior with mouse scrolling.

5) Generally slower and more resource intensive, noticeable on older (2009) Macbook Pros.

6) Terrible, lengthy switch over from the previous version of FileVault, if you had that enabled.

7) Crashed a lot of programs initially, especially Chrome. Now not as much, but very crashy a few months ago.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by dhughes »

rbanffy wrote: post #20
slig wrote: post #15

What about a paid GNU/Linux distro that runs perfectly on recent Apple hardware? No drivers bullshit, just works?

Unless you pick your PC carefully with the purpose of breaking Linux, it mostly works out of the box. That said, installing Linux on a Mac seems offensive, like replacing the dashboard of a Maybach with the one of a race car. Macs are a beautifully designed combination of hardware and software that may work for you. Or not. I like Lion better than Snow Leopard, but neither works for me for work. Casual browsing and p…

Like a teenager before a date Mac seems to be entirely about looks, oh everything works well both OS and hardware but sometimes it seems looks come before function.

No separate delete or backspace keys, no multiple desktops, breathtakingly expensive hardware and software, awkward layout of files in the GUI, closing apps frustrating X doesn't close the app it minimizes it but you also have a minimize button (??), am I copying/pasting/cutting?, old text documents open behind new text documents are opened (a bug maybe or my fault).

Apple OS X Lion is nice to look at and fairly easy to use if not entirely intuitive but it;s not as perfect as some people make it out to be.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by watmough »

Tloewald wrote: post #4

An odd rant. I will say that lion has been the buggiest version of macos x ever, but I suspect it's because they futzed with the file save APIs which touch everything. If it's still this flaky at the dot 4 release I might start whining.

I've managed to get used to most of the new stuff in Lion, but the screwing with the File save stuff is just mind-bendingly awful, and has broken things as simple as trying to re-save a text-file or image from a read-only folder to a read/write folder.

Example: Choose a locked file and try saving a copy anywhere. Can you do it?

I've resorted to using the Finder to copy things into accessible places to work on them.

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