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Re: Ask HN: Is there a bubble in the tech market? Is it about to explode?

#21
So far it appears that most of the layoffs are outside engineering. It's probably that the other salaries in the org are overinflated if anything in contrast to the value they generate for the organization.

I anticipate it being a bad time for middle managers with no skills outside of that.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a bubble in the tech market? Is it about to explode?

#22
Money was being thrown at any tech stock that showed momentum no matter the price. Heck, shopify was 150 in november as a great example of this and now its 30. People were buying it at 215x FORWARD earnings.

Was there a bubble? There is noone with a conscience who can claim there was not.

Is there still a bubble? I think so. I think a combination of current fiscal policy combined with a need for companies to react to their stock price (fiduciary duty to investors) will result in cuts almost everywhere.

Stay safe out there.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a bubble in the tech market? Is it about to explode?

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In London at least. Tech companies dislike the fact there aren't enough engineers to fill roles which has led to a few things. 1. Permanent salaries on the increase that also has a trickle down effect on other related IT roles. 2. A healthy contracting market with rates steadily increasing despite IR35. Contractors are deciding what they'll be paid and are still be lapped up. Nothings worse then a late or undelivered…

Curious what a typical top 10% contracting rate in London is?

I spent 8yrs working as a contractor in London for rates between £600 - £950pd.

Architecture roles - which to some companies meant spending time coding (yay) and to other companies spending time on non-coding activities; aligning teams, strategy, planning, managing stakeholders, slide decks etc...

Re: Ask HN: Is there a bubble in the tech market? Is it about to explode?

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In London at least. Tech companies dislike the fact there aren't enough engineers to fill roles which has led to a few things. 1. Permanent salaries on the increase that also has a trickle down effect on other related IT roles. 2. A healthy contracting market with rates steadily increasing despite IR35. Contractors are deciding what they'll be paid and are still be lapped up. Nothings worse then a late or undelivered…

Previously Londoner for ~8 years here. I can confirm the six month unfilled position period has been going on for at least a few years now. If anything else, and at least on the high(ish) end of skill and seniority there's an artificial reverse bubble that I can only attribute to the almost pathological and almost allergic insistence of UK employers to have as few well paid employees as possible.

Hmm - I've moved from London to Helsinki. I've been the hiring manager for several (Software Engineer) positions in Finland and it's been quite interesting.

The supply of CVs for any position we open there for mid/senior positions is a trickle compared to the UK, and it's not really been like they're all perfectly qualified, there's a lot of 'noise' too. We let go of any geographical constraint, as long as you're willing to work close to our time zone and in a nation that we're legally allowed to do business with, then we'd consider it.

In short - if you're an established engineer who's easy to work with and has some initiative, I would not be worried. Salaries/raises might slow down, inflation is here and is going to bite you, but such is life.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a bubble in the tech market? Is it about to explode?

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In London at least. Tech companies dislike the fact there aren't enough engineers to fill roles which has led to a few things. 1. Permanent salaries on the increase that also has a trickle down effect on other related IT roles. 2. A healthy contracting market with rates steadily increasing despite IR35. Contractors are deciding what they'll be paid and are still be lapped up. Nothings worse then a late or undelivered…

Curious what a typical top 10% contracting rate in London is?

I've had a few short-term contracts (3 months or less) at £950-1100/day as a staff level data scientist, although those are usually 'exceptional need' situations where the company has their back against a wall for some reason or another.

These days it feels like the market is actually cooling down to me, but that could just be because I'm looking in the wrong sectors.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a bubble in the tech market? Is it about to explode?

#29

I live in a European country and our salaries will not go down nor do I expect any layoffs. Your question is very US/Silicon Valley centric.

What? The European economic outlook is substantially more dire than in the US. The knock-on effects of EUR depreciation alone will be massive.

Big advantage of the EUR depreciation is that hiring talent in Europe is now cheaper for US companies.

Given the rise of remote work, cultural proximity, excellent English skills in Europe (I even heard that there's a country that's full of native speakers although they do have a slight accent and an obsession with tea) this might not work out so badly for _some_ developers.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a bubble in the tech market? Is it about to explode?

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post #23

What answer would you like?

Hit me with the truth then tell me a lie so I can sleep tonight

There eventually will be masses with pitchforks and torches at our doors when they finally get the whiff of the software "engineering" we all do. That won't happen this decade.
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