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Re: GPSJam: Daily Maps of GPS Interference

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Curious, how do you measure your own gps “accuracy”? Also, is “jamming” a precision reduction (seems improbable given how I think gps works) or a signal strength reduction in this case?

gpx files sometimes include a sort of "precision" field[1]. Phyphox[2] also has a readout of the uncertainty: Location (GPS) -> Simple

[1] https://stackoverflow.com/a/9624761

[2] https://phyphox.org/

Re: GPSJam: Daily Maps of GPS Interference

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Why is Moscow almost constantly red?

Perhaps they are jamming GPS and Galileo in favor of Glonass. They are certainly concerned about US GPS-powered artillery like the HIMARS given to Ukraine. They’d need fairly precise jammers because the frequencies are only 50MHz apart (GLONASS uses a frequency of 1.602 GHz, whereas GPS uses 1.57542 GHz).

Re: GPSJam: Daily Maps of GPS Interference

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post #15

Curious, how do you measure your own gps “accuracy”? Also, is “jamming” a precision reduction (seems improbable given how I think gps works) or a signal strength reduction in this case?

I'm using data reported by aircraft equipped with ADS-B. Those aircraft broadcast their positions, and they include information about how much uncertainty they think is in their position estimate. When an aircraft that has been reporting low position uncertainty ( 4 nautical miles), it seems to correlate well with known areas of GPS interference, so that's what I use to make the map.

This paper describes in more detail some experiments using a GPS jammer and flying an aircraft around Edwards Air Force Base with ADS-B and what happens to the position reporting: https://web.stanford.edu/group/scpnt/gpslab/pubs/papers/Liu_...

Re: GPSJam: Daily Maps of GPS Interference

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post #9

This is fascinating. Really cool to see a map of GPS signals on Earth and the site looks really good, too. Love the colors and interface! Awesome :) Can anyone narrate any of the jammed signals? Like for instance what would be jamming in the ocean between Tripoli and Benghazi? Or what would be jamming around San Antonio, TX?

I know the stories behind some of the regions, or at least some hypotheses. Interference in the U.S. is almost always the result of military testing or training. If you check against another map (Google maps, or skyvector.com/globe.adsbexchange.com to see sectional charts) you'll see that the interference region is usually centered on or close to a military base or Military Operations Area. There are often FAA notice…

In the US there were incidents with truckers using illegal jammers to defeat their employers’ GPS trackers:

https://www.cnet.com/culture/truck-driver-has-gps-jammer-acc...

Re: GPSJam: Daily Maps of GPS Interference

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post #15

Curious, how do you measure your own gps “accuracy”? Also, is “jamming” a precision reduction (seems improbable given how I think gps works) or a signal strength reduction in this case?

> how do you measure your own gps “accuracy”?

Because GPS is way cool. First, there is the official site: https://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/performance/accuracy/ I am far from being an expert, but being a flying nerd, that's what I can tell you:

The more satellites in sight you have access to, the cooler stuff you can do with GPS. Minimum to establish 2D (on globe projection 2D) location is 3 sats, minimum for altitude is 4 sats. There are mathematical simulations you can do to see if, and when, a given aircraft will have access to 4 sats (or more), called RAIM: https://www.mygdc.com/new/static/usermanuals/web_help/RAIM_P...

Now, things get even better if you use 4+ sats, or sats from different constellations (I am not sure how mature is cross-constellation data validation, however, so let's pretend 1 constellation for now). With 5 sats, the receiver can calculate the position even more precisely, determine the level of URE, etc. You can even detect that one source is unreliable, and discard it (effectively falling back to 4 sats). With even more sats you can (theoretically) do cool data analysis, where you can determine those factors even more precisely.

Now, add the inertial factors. Many passenger have either in-software (history of previous positions) or in-hardware (think accelerometers, magnetometers) inertial data sources. A sophisticated flight management software (FMS) can cross-corelate the inertial data with GNSS data and determine when the latter becomes unreliable.

All of those measurements and factors can subsequently be reported via ADS-B or ACARS, to help with fleet management, and general predictive maintenance. While aviation technology might sometimes look way out of date at a first glance, the modern airplanes have some really cool technology hiding in it.

Re: GPSJam: Daily Maps of GPS Interference

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post #9

This is fascinating. Really cool to see a map of GPS signals on Earth and the site looks really good, too. Love the colors and interface! Awesome :) Can anyone narrate any of the jammed signals? Like for instance what would be jamming in the ocean between Tripoli and Benghazi? Or what would be jamming around San Antonio, TX?

I know the stories behind some of the regions, or at least some hypotheses. Interference in the U.S. is almost always the result of military testing or training. If you check against another map (Google maps, or skyvector.com/globe.adsbexchange.com to see sectional charts) you'll see that the interference region is usually centered on or close to a military base or Military Operations Area. There are often FAA notice…

You forgot massive jamming in Iraq.

Re: GPSJam: Daily Maps of GPS Interference

#29
post #9

This is fascinating. Really cool to see a map of GPS signals on Earth and the site looks really good, too. Love the colors and interface! Awesome :) Can anyone narrate any of the jammed signals? Like for instance what would be jamming in the ocean between Tripoli and Benghazi? Or what would be jamming around San Antonio, TX?

I know the stories behind some of the regions, or at least some hypotheses. Interference in the U.S. is almost always the result of military testing or training. If you check against another map (Google maps, or skyvector.com/globe.adsbexchange.com to see sectional charts) you'll see that the interference region is usually centered on or close to a military base or Military Operations Area. There are often FAA notice…

I zoomed in on a red spot in the US and was surprised to see the city name "Uvalde" pop up. Not quite in the center of the spot, but any thoughts on if it might be related to the reason that a European like me knows that name?

Re: GPSJam: Daily Maps of GPS Interference

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post #17

Cool project, thanks! A bit nitpicking: > In Europe, Poland, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, Kaliningrad, and Finland sometimes show presumed jamming activity, depending on how active Russia is. The wording here is confusing, it seems to imply that Kaliningrad is a country, which it is not (it's a Russian exclave, as the author mentions in one of the HN comments).

Would it sound similar like saying hurricane about to hit Cuba, Florida and Dominican Republic. This does not imply that Florida is a country is just more precise location definition than saying USA. Same here with Kaliningrad as part of Russia.

Florida is a state, Kaliningrad isn't even an autonomous oblast.
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