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The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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> The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

If there were only dystopic uses of this technology, its development wouldn't be able to go on internally. They are specifically taking this path so they always have plenty of good reasons to pursue their agenda.

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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The conspiratorial answers here are emotionally satisfying, but ultimately wrong. The reason chip makers and OS vendors are adding this is customer demand, by which I mean enterprises. Companies want remote attestation and guaranteed-immutable OS images on their networks, and I honestly can't say I blame them. In a perfect world they could have it and we could somehow firewall it away from the consumer space entirely…

On-premise, open-source, customer-owned remote attestation servers are possible. Avoid outsourcing integrity verification to 3rd-party clouds.

The same enterprises asking for this stuff are also asking for it to be taken out of their hands because they don't trust themselves to operate it securely or reliably.

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Simple solution: don't care about up or down -votes. Believe me, Internet points are a sham and waste of time. Focus on interesting conversations and connections instead.

It is much worse than he thinks. If I was to write out the worse case scenario the MS employee would have no choice but to consider it.

Therefore win 13 will be a theme for ubuntu packaged with a FOSS version of office. MS will award large weekly prizes for the most useful FOSS app extending the eco system. It will be sold on multi TB external drives that work like live USB only daisy chained. Weekly new releases cramped with so much free stuff every neck beard around the world must own all of them. A few movies, some music, a game or 2. Each comes with a poster, a t shirt and a book. Prices go up and down using RNG making some releases rare and hard to get.

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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What is to prevent school WiFi from one day requiring a Pluton assertion that your Windows PC hasn’t been tampered with before you can join the network? Remote attestation is the true enemy of your freedom. The power of the authoritarian corporatocracy to force you to use only the (entire) systems they control. It's worth reading https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html again just to see how prescient Sta…

Damn, now I'm nostalgic for the older days of hacker news where RMS was quoted every other post. The community is forgetting it's roots.

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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On-premise, open-source, customer-owned remote attestation servers are possible. Avoid outsourcing integrity verification to 3rd-party clouds.

The same enterprises asking for this stuff are also asking for it to be taken out of their hands because they don't trust themselves to operate it securely or reliably.

So this turns into security theater because ultimately they can't trust those third parties too.

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Simple solution: don't care about up or down -votes. Believe me, Internet points are a sham and waste of time. Focus on interesting conversations and connections instead.

It is much worse than he thinks. If I was to write out the worse case scenario the MS employee would have no choice but to consider it. Therefore win 13 will be a theme for ubuntu packaged with a FOSS version of office. MS will award large weekly prizes for the most useful FOSS app extending the eco system. It will be sold on multi TB external drives that work like live USB only daisy chained. Weekly new releases cra…

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Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

#28

What is to prevent school WiFi from one day requiring a Pluton assertion that your Windows PC hasn’t been tampered with before you can join the network? Remote attestation is the true enemy of your freedom. The power of the authoritarian corporatocracy to force you to use only the (entire) systems they control. It's worth reading https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html again just to see how prescient Sta…

Damn, now I'm nostalgic for the older days of hacker news where RMS was quoted every other post. The community is forgetting it's roots.

As someone who was here from day two, this is not how old HN was. It was many things to many people, and it’s very difficult to break out of the illusion that rose-tintedness tends to give us. (Guilty of it myself.)

HN has been consistently contrarian. That’s about all that you can say without quickly becoming mistaken.

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Simple solution: don't care about up or down -votes. Believe me, Internet points are a sham and waste of time. Focus on interesting conversations and connections instead.

It is much worse than he thinks. If I was to write out the worse case scenario the MS employee would have no choice but to consider it. Therefore win 13 will be a theme for ubuntu packaged with a FOSS version of office. MS will award large weekly prizes for the most useful FOSS app extending the eco system. It will be sold on multi TB external drives that work like live USB only daisy chained. Weekly new releases cra…

Reminds me of computer magazines bundled first with cassettes, then floppy disks then CDROMS, 80s to 90s. Occasionally some other gadgets too. Everybody like us was buying them.

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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and yet, without any evidence, huawei is being blamed for "spying".... smh

It's not mutually excusive. I think risks from hostile powers need to be called out, and I think we also need to be calling out this bad behavior on our side too.

The US is a hostile power everywhere else in the world. And then also for about 4-8 out of every 8 years to its own citizens.
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