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Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by lapcat » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 5:14 PM UTC

baskethead wrote: post #11

pavel_lishin wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not dead, but many things I wish supported RSS don't. Facebook. Twitter. Instagram. These would be incredibly useful things to have native RSS feeds for, but instead I have to dig around and either use some tool someone built for the purpose - a tool at the mercy of the walled garden whose wall they're peeking over - or build my own nightmare factory.

None of those will because they rely on engagement to make money. They need people logging into their servers so that they can see what they are looking at. That's not how RSS works, so of course they won't support it.

They rely on ads to make money. Twitter could add ads to their RSS feeds, just as they add ads to their app feeds.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by ryukafalz » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 5:14 PM UTC

marcrosoft wrote: post #7

tootie wrote: post #5

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RSS is still the default distribution system for podcasts. It's probably the thin thread that is keeping Spotify from building a walled garden for audio.

I boycott all podcasts that are exclusive to Spotify because I want to do my part in at least slowing down the eventual podcast walled garden future.

I also boycott them for a more practical reason: I can’t listen to them in my normal podcatchers! I’d have to switch all my podcast listening to Spotify to change that, and that’s a pain.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by kevincox » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 5:18 PM UTC

detaro wrote: post #16

NelsonMinar wrote: post #15

Don't call it a comeback! There's still this lurking mess of RSS 0.91 vs 1.0 vs 2.0 vs Atom. As one of the folks involved in creating Atom I'm frustrated with the outcome. These days it'd probably be JSON, right?

There is JSONFeed, but that was pretty much a flash in the pan.

If it was created instead of Atom it would have been nice, but it doesn't have any major advantages so no reason to add yet another format to the mix.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by RL_Quine » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 5:24 PM UTC

pavel_lishin wrote: post #9

amerine wrote: post #3

All I see is people claiming RSS is dead, but I never stopped. Moving between various readers and landed on Feedly for iOS a few years ago. Love it.

It's not dead, but many things I wish supported RSS don't. Facebook. Twitter. Instagram. These would be incredibly useful things to have native RSS feeds for, but instead I have to dig around and either use some tool someone built for the purpose - a tool at the mercy of the walled garden whose wall they're peeking over - or build my own nightmare factory.

You can use RSS for twitter via Nitter, it works perfectly for me.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by FernandoMax » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 5:27 PM UTC

I loved blogs, I loved the vibe (like newsletters today) and I loved RSS (way better than email for receiving information. IN fact I am creating a project, and It will have updates by RSS. Why? Because I f**ing love it.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by powersnail » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 5:27 PM UTC

RSS has been alive this whole time. Blogs usually have it by default, the big news organizations have it.

The only thing I'm not satisfied with reading news on RSS, is that news organizations push too many articles, to the point that reading the headlines alone takes quite some time. There's nearly 100 articles per day per source sometimes. Unlike a newspaper, which has a natural structure of priority and hierarchy, in an RSS reader, every head line has the same salience, and it's a pain to weed out what's important.

I kinda hope news organizations would make a separate "weekly digest feed", 30 or so articles per week.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by shepherdjerred » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 5:29 PM UTC

powersnail wrote: post #26

RSS has been alive this whole time. Blogs usually have it by default, the big news organizations have it. The only thing I'm not satisfied with reading news on RSS, is that news organizations push too many articles, to the point that reading the headlines alone takes quite some time. There's nearly 100 articles per day per source sometimes. Unlike a newspaper, which has a natural structure of priority and hierarchy,…

I think feedly has features to help filter less popular articles

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by AlexandrB » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 5:29 PM UTC

seltzered_ wrote: post #12

amerine wrote: post #3

All I see is people claiming RSS is dead, but I never stopped. Moving between various readers and landed on Feedly for iOS a few years ago. Love it.

One thing that's been corrosive to rss the past couple years have been podcast platforms. I find more podcasts (free ones) that can only be accessed through platforms like Google podcasts, Stitcher, Spotify, or Anchor, with no rss feed link to use in a platform agnostic podcatcher app.

My policy is to just ignore these. There's so much content out there it's not hard to find other (proper) podcasts to listen to.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by FernandoMax » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 5:33 PM UTC

baskethead wrote: post #11

pavel_lishin wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not dead, but many things I wish supported RSS don't. Facebook. Twitter. Instagram. These would be incredibly useful things to have native RSS feeds for, but instead I have to dig around and either use some tool someone built for the purpose - a tool at the mercy of the walled garden whose wall they're peeking over - or build my own nightmare factory.

None of those will because they rely on engagement to make money. They need people logging into their servers so that they can see what they are looking at. That's not how RSS works, so of course they won't support it.

And I think this is the main reason Google Killed Google Reader. It was controversial (or illegal or ugly) to put ads over the third party content. And it was way better to have Adsense on the websites directly. Such "spring cleaning" was an alibi, not the reason. It was abandoned after some attempts to build a kind of social network inside, and probably they preferred people to create content on +1 instead of on blogs. But Blogger still exists, and there's a strong contradiction why to kill the reader for the blogs except one: Ads. Google Reader was bad for Ad business. And that's a big business in Google. And terribly sad.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by AdmiralAsshat » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 5:34 PM UTC

amerine wrote: post #3

All I see is people claiming RSS is dead, but I never stopped. Moving between various readers and landed on Feedly for iOS a few years ago. Love it.

I dropped Feedly because I found that 90%+ of my feeds would only put the article title and the first sentence into the feed, then require I click the URL to pull up the full article.

It wasn't very fun constantly having to switch between my RSS app and my browser, so I just stopped using it.