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George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you inherently ascribe it to "male loser" vs. just "loser"?

Probably because the only thing that can physically stop a man is another man, and when men get so unhinged as to support ruthless leaders to get what they want, all bets are off and you’re dealing with a carnage waiting to happen.

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Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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> Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice This fact has been the downfall of every utopian ideology, and ignoring creates a vacuum that fascist regimes readily fill. I wonder what…

Honestly it sounds like exactly the form of government we have today, where all of those positive and “negative” features are available in varying quantities.

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> Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice This fact has been the downfall of every utopian ideology, and ignoring creates a vacuum that fascist regimes readily fill. I wonder what…

“There should be a science of discontent” Many modern political problems stem from people needing something to struggle for and other people fighting against it. There’s also a lot of shaping going on where if people weren’t so upset about X they’d realize Y was a huge problem so let’s distract them permanently with X.

> Many modern political problems stem from people needing something to struggle for and other people fighting against it.

Reminds me of the lines in Fight Club: "We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war. Our Great Depression is our lives."

I'm not sure if that precise quote is in the book, but it's certainly in the movie and it echoes your sentiment and those above.

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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> Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice This fact has been the downfall of every utopian ideology, and ignoring creates a vacuum that fascist regimes readily fill. I wonder what…

By all means check out the film The Tenth Victim.

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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> Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice This fact has been the downfall of every utopian ideology, and ignoring creates a vacuum that fascist regimes readily fill. I wonder what…

> I wonder what sort of strange centrist form of government might be able to strike a balance between our need for comfort and our need for adventure.

A serious specification for such a thing is going to be bigger than the SVG spec.

At that point it's almost certainly cheaper to fulfill our need for adventure through eternal vigilance in a representative democracy.

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> Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice This fact has been the downfall of every utopian ideology, and ignoring creates a vacuum that fascist regimes readily fill. I wonder what…

> I wonder what sort of strange centrist form of government might be able to strike a balance between our need for comfort and our need for adventure.

i think that's supposed to be sort of the idea behind free market capitalism. whether or not we should be fulfilling our emotional needs with the system of production is an open question, but i think that's basically the idea. business as a risky adventure with exaggerated potential upsides and downsides.

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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> Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice This fact has been the downfall of every utopian ideology, and ignoring creates a vacuum that fascist regimes readily fill. I wonder what…

> I wonder what sort of strange centrist form of government might be able to strike a balance between our need for comfort and our need for adventure.

Any government that will satisfy my need of adventure and struggle in colonising the solar system and exploiting the endless amounts of resources it has and harnessing the virtually unlimited energy of our star will have my vote.

But people prefer tribal adventures and struggles and here we are debating the very risk of an ideology promoted by a half testicled man 100 years ago making a comeback.

Why dont we just struggle for the greater good instead of all this pettiness is beyond me.

Anyway crazy comment on my part but i think we are wasting time as a species on petty crap.

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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I think he highlights some fundamentally toxic aspects of human nature with this bit:

“The Socialist who finds his children playing with soldiers is usually upset, but he is never able to think of a substitute for the tin soldiers; tin pacifists somehow won’t do.”

The engineer in me wishes we could substitute the soldiers with construction workers or something, but I can’t deny enjoying war games growing up. These days “peace games” like Stardew Valley are more appealing to me, but maybe I’ma little odd.

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