There wouldn't have been a Markkula there without Jobs' ability to bring him on to the team. Ability to bring together great engineering with great industry expertise is more valuable than solely Woz's engineering talent on it's own.
Why Founders Should Emulate Wozniak, Not Jobs
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Re: Why Founders Should Emulate Wozniak, Not Jobs
#22a better piece for an argument on jobs ethos
http://goo.gl/yHRct
Re: Why Founders Should Emulate Wozniak, Not Jobs
#23According to Steve, you shouldn't be emulating anyone - be yourself. You'll never be a better Steve Jobs than Steve was - or a better Woz than Woz was. The key thing I got out of the article is how important your co-founder is - one thing Steve seems to have is that he recognized talent very quickly (Woz, Ive at the age of 29) and developed them.
Come again? Steve developed Woz?
Re: Why Founders Should Emulate Wozniak, Not Jobs
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even if we assume that Wozniak was much more essential than Jobs, the fact is that Jobs persuaded Wozniak to do the startup in the first place. And if I recall correctly from the biography by Isaacson, it took quite a bit of convincing on Jobs' part to get Woz to leave his secure job at HP.
You're right it did take a lot of convincing and hustling. It didn't take product vision from Jobs to make the Apple II a success however. Look at all the products Jobs tried to produce through his "vision," they all failed until the iPod.
What about iMac?
Re: Why Founders Should Emulate Wozniak, Not Jobs
#25Jobs without Woz would have found another company to run and another great idea to build.
Woz without Jobs would just be some really good engineer inside some gigantic company no one has ever heard of. He even is quoted in the book as having aspired to that.
Re: Why Founders Should Emulate Wozniak, Not Jobs
#26I cannot understand how you could read this biography and arrive at the conclusion that any one person should be "emulated". What I took away was that all components of Apple's success were mutually inclusive. It's unlikely that it could have happened any other way. You can pick a thousand points along the line wherein the events might have not come together as they did, and you do not end up with the Apple that exis…
Article is just trying to expel the misconceptions around Jobs and say that brilliant engineering is more important than design & reality distortion field in a startup.
Re: Why Founders Should Emulate Wozniak, Not Jobs
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even if we assume that Wozniak was much more essential than Jobs, the fact is that Jobs persuaded Wozniak to do the startup in the first place. And if I recall correctly from the biography by Isaacson, it took quite a bit of convincing on Jobs' part to get Woz to leave his secure job at HP.
You're right it did take a lot of convincing and hustling. It didn't take product vision from Jobs to make the Apple II a success however. Look at all the products Jobs tried to produce through his "vision," they all failed until the iPod.
The Apple II would not have had a keyboard or power supply without Jobs' vision though.
You're probably right that it wasn't the design aesthetic that counted, but Jobs' customer focus was still very important.
Re: Why Founders Should Emulate Wozniak, Not Jobs
#28According to Steve, you shouldn't be emulating anyone - be yourself. You'll never be a better Steve Jobs than Steve was - or a better Woz than Woz was. The key thing I got out of the article is how important your co-founder is - one thing Steve seems to have is that he recognized talent very quickly (Woz, Ive at the age of 29) and developed them.
Or he just got lucky and was Wozniak's best friend from High School. Which is the true story.
They were both lucky to have each other.
Re: Why Founders Should Emulate Wozniak, Not Jobs
#29Take Jobs, Wozniak or Markula out of the picture and Apple fails. You needed a hustler/product guy, a brilliant engineer and a great business mind for success.
Jobs legend was created because he built upon his skills. He enhanced his ability to spot and aquire great talent and learned (the hard way) how to become a great businessman.
Re: Why Founders Should Emulate Wozniak, Not Jobs
#30Jobs without Woz would have found another company to run and another great idea to build. Woz without Jobs would just be some really good engineer inside some gigantic company no one has ever heard of. He even is quoted in the book as having aspired to that.
First statement is completely up for debate. Jobs did continue without Wozniak and he failed every product in the next 18 years and spent millions of dollars. Not something founders here can emulate.