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Re: Danish Data Protection Agency bans Google Workspace for Municipalities

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Post by konschubert »

danaris wrote: post #12
konschubert wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counterpoint: The data that municipalities store is not super sensitive, at worst it contains information about the number of sick days and salary. If the NSA cares about this data at all, it will probably have other means to obtain it. On the other hand, the municipalities might now have to spend a lot more taxpayer money to support a worse system that might reduce their efficiency, increasing wait times and frustra…

That sounds very much like an "if you have nothing to hide, why are you worried about privacy?" argument. Which is deeply suspect and entirely serves the interest of the massive surveillance apparatus.

I see your point. But I think there is also value in choosing your battles.

I would l rather see resources spent towards the defense against Russian aggression, instead of major IT projects with really unclear privacy impact.

Re: Danish Data Protection Agency bans Google Workspace for Municipalities

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Post by danaris »

konschubert wrote: post #21
danaris wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds very much like an "if you have nothing to hide, why are you worried about privacy?" argument. Which is deeply suspect and entirely serves the interest of the massive surveillance apparatus.

I see your point. But I think there is also value in choosing your battles. I would l rather see resources spent towards the defense against Russian aggression, instead of major IT projects with really unclear privacy impact.

I very much doubt that there's any real need to be making decisions at that level. The money and other resources going to this IT effort is deeply unlikely to be anywhere close to the pots of money that would be considered for allocation against Russian aggression.

And given that this is in Denmark—which, while certainly within a zone of some concern, is hardly in any imminent danger from Russia—it seems to me that focusing on defending against Russian aggression, at the expense of effectively everything else, would be quite unproductive.

Or is it just that you don't think spending on maintaining privacy is worthwhile no matter what, and the Russia situation is a convenient distraction you can point to?

Re: Danish Data Protection Agency bans Google Workspace for Municipalities

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Post by [deleted] »

dogma1138 wrote: post #19
nisa wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP but but I try to explain it from my subjective perspective: It's good because that's not your small nodejs startup but rather Municipalities. They process sensitive data about their citizens and I'm sure Denmark has strict privacy laws for that. Giving that data to Google means it's now in the US and can be used by NSA or other organisations for spying. Does that happen? I don't know. But why take the risk. Se…

Impacts of such rulings also mean that the small startups and everyone in between is impacted. There are no EU only alternatives to GCP, Azure or AWS, I mean there’s always Alicloud but well… Alternatives will not be developed in time for these rulings to have a devastating impact on EU companies and in fact any company that works in the EU that processes data covered by GDPR even if they host purely within the EU si…

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Re: Danish Data Protection Agency bans Google Workspace for Municipalities

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Post by konschubert »

danaris wrote: post #22
konschubert wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see your point. But I think there is also value in choosing your battles. I would l rather see resources spent towards the defense against Russian aggression, instead of major IT projects with really unclear privacy impact.

I very much doubt that there's any real need to be making decisions at that level. The money and other resources going to this IT effort is deeply unlikely to be anywhere close to the pots of money that would be considered for allocation against Russian aggression. And given that this is in Denmark—which, while certainly within a zone of some concern, is hardly in any imminent danger from Russia—it seems to me that f…

I think privacy is important. I’m scared of the EU push to backdoor encryption, for example.

But I truly think that Russia is a bigger threat to the average danish citizen than the NSA.

For example: https://cphpost.dk/?p=131412

And yes, money gets moved between governments pots all the time.

Re: Danish Data Protection Agency bans Google Workspace for Municipalities

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Post by lock-the-spock »

Wow, stunning. The real test will be whether chromebook use gets banned in schools - an office you can switch over, but a whole school bound to chromebook hardware? This will be a very difficult/expensive switch. Alternatively one could dream that this brings Linux to schools - which would be the basis of a long-term break with the MS/Apple/Google dependency.

Re: Danish Data Protection Agency bans Google Workspace for Municipalities

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Post by hulitu »

lock-the-spock wrote: post #27

Wow, stunning. The real test will be whether chromebook use gets banned in schools - an office you can switch over, but a whole school bound to chromebook hardware? This will be a very difficult/expensive switch. Alternatively one could dream that this brings Linux to schools - which would be the basis of a long-term break with the MS/Apple/Google dependency.

Chromebooks are not so popular in europe.

Re: Danish Data Protection Agency bans Google Workspace for Municipalities

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Post by hulitu »

dogma1138 wrote: post #19
nisa wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP but but I try to explain it from my subjective perspective: It's good because that's not your small nodejs startup but rather Municipalities. They process sensitive data about their citizens and I'm sure Denmark has strict privacy laws for that. Giving that data to Google means it's now in the US and can be used by NSA or other organisations for spying. Does that happen? I don't know. But why take the risk. Se…

Impacts of such rulings also mean that the small startups and everyone in between is impacted. There are no EU only alternatives to GCP, Azure or AWS, I mean there’s always Alicloud but well… Alternatives will not be developed in time for these rulings to have a devastating impact on EU companies and in fact any company that works in the EU that processes data covered by GDPR even if they host purely within the EU si…

Why would someone want to store private data in the cloud ?
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