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When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014)

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Re: When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014)

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Apple today is starting to remind me a bit of the Apple of the early 1990s.

Gone are the simple product portfolios where each model has a clear position and purpose within the line up. Now, the number of models is creeping up gradually with more and more overlap and less clarity of purpose between them.

Re: When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014)

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Purely a guess, but a lot of people whose pride stems from understanding complex subjects are the same people who will gatekeep that subject. Sagan, making astronomy more accessible to lay people, would be a grave offense to someone like that.

This is true (source: worked at NASA and heard other astronomers opinion of Sagan). The other chief aspects were (1) some had professional disagreements with Sagan and resented that he still won academic battles for mindshare just by being Sagan, and (2) resentment of his success by academics who were just as good but didn’t get fame and the grant wins or lucrative work that came from it.

Ref #2, I wonder if scientists feel similarly to Neil deGrasse Tyson today.

He doesn’t seem likely to be wildly better as a scientist than his peers, but being wildly better as a communicator has incredible differentiating value (and likely has a tailwind for the other scientists in terms of public support for science when it’s something they feel is almost within their grasp).

Re: When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is true (source: worked at NASA and heard other astronomers opinion of Sagan). The other chief aspects were (1) some had professional disagreements with Sagan and resented that he still won academic battles for mindshare just by being Sagan, and (2) resentment of his success by academics who were just as good but didn’t get fame and the grant wins or lucrative work that came from it.

Ref #2, I wonder if scientists feel similarly to Neil deGrasse Tyson today. He doesn’t seem likely to be wildly better as a scientist than his peers, but being wildly better as a communicator has incredible differentiating value (and likely has a tailwind for the other scientists in terms of public support for science when it’s something they feel is almost within their grasp).

I find Neil deGrasse Tyson to be a terrible science communicator, especially since a few years back. Just look at the man's twitter. Putting him and Carl Sagan in the same sentence is almost insulting x)

Re: When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014)

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Why would he be associated with bogus science?

Purely a guess, but a lot of people whose pride stems from understanding complex subjects are the same people who will gatekeep that subject. Sagan, making astronomy more accessible to lay people, would be a grave offense to someone like that.

Ironical from people working at Apple in the 90s.

Re: When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Purely a guess, but a lot of people whose pride stems from understanding complex subjects are the same people who will gatekeep that subject. Sagan, making astronomy more accessible to lay people, would be a grave offense to someone like that.

This is true (source: worked at NASA and heard other astronomers opinion of Sagan). The other chief aspects were (1) some had professional disagreements with Sagan and resented that he still won academic battles for mindshare just by being Sagan, and (2) resentment of his success by academics who were just as good but didn’t get fame and the grant wins or lucrative work that came from it.

This sort of stuff makes me happy I worked on open source research rather than try to get a PHD. Same thing is playing out with LeCun. The excessive, perhaps egotistical need for attribution in academia is in strict opposition to what I consider “good science”.

Re: When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014)

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Apple today is starting to remind me a bit of the Apple of the early 1990s. Gone are the simple product portfolios where each model has a clear position and purpose within the line up. Now, the number of models is creeping up gradually with more and more overlap and less clarity of purpose between them.

If Apple is repeating the 90s, maybe it will finally bring back Mac clones and Pink/Taligent/Copland.

Re: When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014)

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Interesting that the article didn't mention the oddly named "sosumi" system sound.

That was to do with the agreement they'd previously made with Apple (the Beatles' company) not to be involved in anything relating to sound/music (to preserve the differentiation between two companies with the same name), it was a kind of dare or challenge.

Re: When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014)

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Purely a guess, but a lot of people whose pride stems from understanding complex subjects are the same people who will gatekeep that subject. Sagan, making astronomy more accessible to lay people, would be a grave offense to someone like that.

The Apple engineers' unwillingness to back down but even pushing things further with their insulting second code name shows a degree of arrogance that's astonishing.

My memory is that the average 90's Silicon Valley engineer was arrogant. It was not at all astonishing.

Re: When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014)

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But then they refused to acknowledge that he had not endorsed their product and had not received compensation after the name was revealed. While probably not illegal, IMO that was still morally wrong.

> and had not received compensation after the name was revealed Not sure anyone is entitled to compensation just because a codename is their name.

He didn't want compensation.
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