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Is the United States Exceptional?

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Re: Is the United States Exceptional?

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Is this (from a 1992 satirical scifi book) still true?: > There's only four things we do better than anyone else music movies microcode (software) high-speed pizza delivery I vote yes , except for maybe 3.

Is there a country more accessible than the US? It’s not perfect, but ADA’s ramp access across the country is remarkable

Re: Is the United States Exceptional?

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A nation founded on the principles of all men being created equal, along with inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is indeed exceptional. The results have been exceptional, too. The US does indeed have plenty of problems, but those problems are usually traceable to neglecting those founding principles.

At issue, where "exceptionalism" is concerned, is not what we do for ourselves, but what we do for and to others. Domestic policies are domestic, and not germane.

Re: Is the United States Exceptional?

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The logic of "The US is the greatest if you likes X things and bad if you prefer Y" is poor because it can be applied to anything. Colombia during Pablo Escobar's time was probably considered pretty great if you were a Narco Trafficker. The article entirely misses the problem non-US people have with the US faffing on about greatness or its exceptionality. Which is that individuals from the US seem to see this as an i…

A lot of that is just patriotism, which is perfectly necessary for any country that hopes to thrive. But it's not just a matter of paying your taxes, as the government is a very different entity than the country itself, though they do overlap to various extents.

Re: Is the United States Exceptional?

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I wonder how many of the conclusions would change if the EU is considered as a "country"?

Which is to say, it's a little bit of a definitional problem around what the word "country" actually means. The US, being a federalist collection of semi-autonomous states is sort of a hybrid country. There are some clear aspects (a single military, federal laws, a common currency, a commonly elected president). But then there are other aspects such as that the autonomy given to states is such that they invent local laws to the extent that for a huge range of areas you effectively have to deal with the US on a state-by-state basis.

Re: Is the United States Exceptional?

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This is a common misunderstanding of the meaning of the word 'exceptional'. The origins of the phrase "American exceptionalism" had nothing to do with greatness or thinking one country is better than another. It is exceptional only in that the country was concieved as an exception to the rule of where its power ultimately comes from. The normal foundation for the state was upon a divinely anointed monarchy. America w…

Also, when this term was coined, most (if not all) attributes of greatness listed in the article still applied to the British Empire, rivalled only by France.

Re: Is the United States Exceptional?

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A nation founded on the principles of all men being created equal, along with inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is indeed exceptional. The results have been exceptional, too. The US does indeed have plenty of problems, but those problems are usually traceable to neglecting those founding principles.

> principles of all men being created equal, along with inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness

Unless you're black. Or female. Or Asian. etc.

Why does this founding myth persist?

Re: Is the United States Exceptional?

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US definitely has exceptional successes, but there are so many systemic flaws which other countries may or may not have, and where US could vastly improve. * High medical costs * Highest maternal mortality among developed countries * Highest income gaps * High education cost & the vicious circle of college debt. * Increasing trends of bankruptcy & paycheck-to-paycheck sustenance. * Lack of public transportation issue…

Ok, now do positives.

American companies and billionaires are doing great.

Re: Is the United States Exceptional?

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post #11

US definitely has exceptional successes, but there are so many systemic flaws which other countries may or may not have, and where US could vastly improve. * High medical costs * Highest maternal mortality among developed countries * Highest income gaps * High education cost & the vicious circle of college debt. * Increasing trends of bankruptcy & paycheck-to-paycheck sustenance. * Lack of public transportation issue…

Ok, now do positives.

Sure. The reasons where US shines & is able to draw talent is probably several of these:

* US is absolutely the leader in innovation. No doubts about it.

* Champion of democracy. The US political system & constitution has inspired a lot of other countries. Its a very immaculately drawn political system built on checks & balances

* High degree of choices to an individual to shape his life

* High degree of demographic diversity.

* Good quality secondary & college/university education.

* A general attitude to question the status quo - which is necessary to bring change.

* Secure nation militarily.

* Peaceful & cooperative neighbors, who engage symbiotically for the better of all stakeholders.

* High social mobility for a lot of people (not all but a big chunk).

* Good quality of life in general.

* Very high natural diversity & plentiful resources.

* Ability to shape the political climate to maintain world order.

Re: Is the United States Exceptional?

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post #11

US definitely has exceptional successes, but there are so many systemic flaws which other countries may or may not have, and where US could vastly improve. * High medical costs * Highest maternal mortality among developed countries * Highest income gaps * High education cost & the vicious circle of college debt. * Increasing trends of bankruptcy & paycheck-to-paycheck sustenance. * Lack of public transportation issue…

Ok, now do positives.

Exceptionalism is supposed to be all about positives. So, the list is about failures of exceptionalism. That exceptionalism is taken to forgive all transgressions is itself the problem.

Re: Is the United States Exceptional?

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The logic of "The US is the greatest if you likes X things and bad if you prefer Y" is poor because it can be applied to anything. Colombia during Pablo Escobar's time was probably considered pretty great if you were a Narco Trafficker. The article entirely misses the problem non-US people have with the US faffing on about greatness or its exceptionality. Which is that individuals from the US seem to see this as an i…

In a collective endeavor, which the administration of a state undoubtedly is, especially in a democratically structured system, each individual of course contributes negligibly on average. It is the aggregate of their activities that we end up looking at when we make these determinations. And of course some people pull more weight than others, and a few disproportionately so. But we all play our part, however small.
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