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EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by anonymousab »

ericmay wrote: post #12
PedroCandeias wrote: post #4

I'm personally happy to stay inside Apple's ecosystem, but believe that everyone should have the option to choose. This looks like good news, a step in the direction of being more in control of the devices we buy.

You do have the option to choose. You can buy any number of Android phones, or you can jailbreak an iPhone with custom software. Ultimately this will be bad for regular people, and good for crypto scammers, ad agencies, and companies that rely on hovering up personal data.

> or you can jailbreak an iPhone

That's often not an option due to Apple's choices, but if Apple offered an official way to break out of the garden with your own iPhone then I think things wouldn't have gotten this far.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by kmlx »

tchocky wrote: post #7
djbebs wrote: post #3

Terrible news.

No, it's good news! No more forced crappy webkit browser engine in iOS. The other things can be added in a secure fashion as well. Sideloading doesn't need to be wild west. macOS also makes it possible with certificates etc. Messanger interop is also nice, when done right: basically would need a shared standard like the web that is done by a messaging consortium like the W3.

> No more forced crappy webkit browser engine in iOS.

you know this just means more chrome right?

> Messanger interop is also nice, when done right: basically would need a shared standard like the web that is done by a messaging consortium like the W3.

we went thru this before. didn’t work then, won’t work now.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by chacham15 »

superb-owl wrote: post #5

This is huge. Forcing Apple to allow app side-loading, third-party payments, etc is going to wrest away control of the iOS ecosystem (and eat pretty heavily into their revenues [1] [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/apple-implies-it-generated-r... I hope some of these regulations spill over into the U.S. and the rest of the world.

The US already has one which is supposed to be voted upon soon: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/271...

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

kmlx wrote: post #15
tchocky wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so. The EU market is pretty huge and financially strong. Maybe they will only allow sideloading and payment freedom for the EU with special iOS builds.

depends on the company really. some might think a bit more about offering their products to eu countries considering (some of) these rules. which imo are quite serious, and some even ridiculous.

Which ones do you find ridiculous? They frankly diverge from the current status quo but to me they all go in the right direction.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by hef19898 »

kmlx wrote: post #15
tchocky wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so. The EU market is pretty huge and financially strong. Maybe they will only allow sideloading and payment freedom for the EU with special iOS builds.

depends on the company really. some might think a bit more about offering their products to eu countries considering (some of) these rules. which imo are quite serious, and some even ridiculous.

Considering how far backwards companies bend over to make business in China and some Arabic countries I don't expect a single company with some profitable business in the EU to leave that market.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by kmlx »

dijit wrote: post #18

I'm personally very happy with Safari slowing down the over-arching progress of "Web browsers are an application distribution platform", but I definitely see the value in this. I am very excited about the prospect of having federation between communication platforms... imagine sending messages from iMessage to whatsapp?! great, just like in the mid-00's!

> great, just like in the mid-00's!

funnily enough i was working on apps that did this back in the mid 00s. it was horrible. the standards simply couldn’t keep up. the clients couldn’t keep up. in the end it was better for the end user not use those standards and instead we rolled our own.

could be different story today but i don’t think so. just the video call feature would be an absolute mess to standardise. hell, even emojis would open up a can of worms. payments between contacts? contacts themselves? i fear this would end up being the mid 00s again.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by izacus »

ericmay wrote: post #12
PedroCandeias wrote: post #4

I'm personally happy to stay inside Apple's ecosystem, but believe that everyone should have the option to choose. This looks like good news, a step in the direction of being more in control of the devices we buy.

You do have the option to choose. You can buy any number of Android phones, or you can jailbreak an iPhone with custom software. Ultimately this will be bad for regular people, and good for crypto scammers, ad agencies, and companies that rely on hovering up personal data.

And now you'll be able to choose WHILE still keep using iOS which is much better for you as a consumer.

This being bad for "regular people" is typical monopolistic corporate scaremongering. Apple has proven that they're more than capable of providing secure devices that provide choice with their MacBook series.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by carlycue »

Music to my ears. Apple is a junkie that's addicted to the App Store & services revenue. By opening up their walled garden, it forces them to be more proactive to regain some of that lost revenue. I guarantee the car, the AR/VR and their other underdeveloped products would've progressed so much faster if Apple depended on new product categories to grow their revenue. Right now, they're feeling too cozy.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by KaoruAoiShiho »

988747 wrote: post #8
superb-owl wrote: post #5

This is huge. Forcing Apple to allow app side-loading, third-party payments, etc is going to wrest away control of the iOS ecosystem (and eat pretty heavily into their revenues [1] [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/apple-implies-it-generated-r... I hope some of these regulations spill over into the U.S. and the rest of the world.

I wonder if it would make more financial sense for Apple to withdraw from EU market, rather than complying. The numbers for 2021 are pretty much in line: $89B - Apple sales in Europe (including some non-EU countries, most notably UK) $85B - Apple AppStore revenue worldwide. The question is: which one has more potential for growth.

Only if you're confident it's some uniquely EU idea (which it's not, regulators all over the world are thinking about doing this).
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