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Amazon bows to UAE pressure to restrict LGBT search results

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Re: Amazon bows to UAE pressure to restrict LGBT search results

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Post by Dylan16807 »

boeingUH60 wrote: post #18
sweetheart wrote: post #4

Is there any argument here in Amazon’s defense? Or is my initial disgust at Amazon truly the appropriate response. I cannot fathom being the person at Amazon who makes that call. Do they sleep well at night? Do they feel good about themselves?

Do they sleep well at night? Why not... Do they feel good about themselves?...They don't have to do that...I bet most people don't even feel "good" about their corporate jobs. Basically, Amazon had two options; Tell the UAE to pound sand and risk being kicked out of the country or cave in to their demands. Should we really expect another response from a soul-less, union-busting corporate overlord company like Amazon?

> Should we really expect another response from a soul-less, union-busting corporate overlord company like Amazon?

If we demand a better response hard enough we can pressure them into being better. So... yes?

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Post by sweetheart »

huitzitziltzin wrote: post #16
sweetheart wrote: post #4

Is there any argument here in Amazon’s defense? Or is my initial disgust at Amazon truly the appropriate response. I cannot fathom being the person at Amazon who makes that call. Do they sleep well at night? Do they feel good about themselves?

Firms comply with the laws of the countries in which they operate. The Gulf states have evil and primitive laws on this and many other issues but everyone who operates there complies with them.

Then they ought not operate there.

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jimbob45 wrote: post #11
klez wrote: post #3

I'm a bit confused by the fact that they're talking about UAE and then they suddenly switch to talking about non-Amazon related events in Saudi Arabia.

I didn’t notice that until you pointed it out. Either the author erroneously thinks the UAE subsumes SA or they needed to pad their word count and didn’t count on anyone noticing.

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Re: Amazon bows to UAE pressure to restrict LGBT search results

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Post by sweetheart »

ominous wrote: post #6
sweetheart wrote: post #4

Is there any argument here in Amazon’s defense? Or is my initial disgust at Amazon truly the appropriate response. I cannot fathom being the person at Amazon who makes that call. Do they sleep well at night? Do they feel good about themselves?

> Is there any argument here in Amazon’s defense? Can you phrase the attack you imagine they need defense from in a way that doesn't assume your worldview is the universal position (or that tries to achieve a universal position) everyone must adhere to?

I feel as though homophobia is never an acceptable worldview, so if you want me to reword what I said in a way that doesn’t imply that, I won’t.

Some things are simply wrong. This is one of those things. If one’s worldview disagrees, then theirs is simply incorrect on this matter.

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Post by ominous »

wesleywt wrote: post #7
ominous wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is there any argument here in Amazon’s defense? Can you phrase the attack you imagine they need defense from in a way that doesn't assume your worldview is the universal position (or that tries to achieve a universal position) everyone must adhere to?

Quoted post unavailable.

I do not defend that LGBTQ should be executed, and nothing I said implies it.

I asked for the attack that one would make against Amazon. And you don't even dare to state that, yes, your worldview excludes UAE ahahahah should they be fixed?

> Because that is the world-view of the UAE.

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Post by sweetheart »

boeingUH60 wrote: post #18
sweetheart wrote: post #4

Is there any argument here in Amazon’s defense? Or is my initial disgust at Amazon truly the appropriate response. I cannot fathom being the person at Amazon who makes that call. Do they sleep well at night? Do they feel good about themselves?

Do they sleep well at night? Why not... Do they feel good about themselves?...They don't have to do that...I bet most people don't even feel "good" about their corporate jobs. Basically, Amazon had two options; Tell the UAE to pound sand and risk being kicked out of the country or cave in to their demands. Should we really expect another response from a soul-less, union-busting corporate overlord company like Amazon?

Yes, I expect Amazon to stand up against their demands and tell them to go pound sand.

Im not naive; I know they won’t. But I can still be disgusted that they won’t.

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Post by benreesman »

sweetheart wrote: post #4

Is there any argument here in Amazon’s defense? Or is my initial disgust at Amazon truly the appropriate response. I cannot fathom being the person at Amazon who makes that call. Do they sleep well at night? Do they feel good about themselves?

You can call it a “defense” or not as you like.

People and organizations have been putting money ahead of enlightened ideals as long as there’s been money or ideals.

I’m not trying to let Amazon off the hook here per se, but a cursory reading of history shows that such calls are on average, basically everyone ever.

We venerate King and Milk and Ghandi and others because they stand out.

This is business as usual not for Amazon, it’s business as usual in recorded history.

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Post by zozbot234 »

sweetheart wrote: post #4

Is there any argument here in Amazon’s defense? Or is my initial disgust at Amazon truly the appropriate response. I cannot fathom being the person at Amazon who makes that call. Do they sleep well at night? Do they feel good about themselves?

Amazon is a private organization. They aren't mandated or required to give everyone a platform.

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Post by hoseja »

zozbot234 wrote: post #29
sweetheart wrote: post #4

Is there any argument here in Amazon’s defense? Or is my initial disgust at Amazon truly the appropriate response. I cannot fathom being the person at Amazon who makes that call. Do they sleep well at night? Do they feel good about themselves?

Amazon is a private organization. They aren't mandated or required to give everyone a platform.

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