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Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Post by hinkley »

hprotagonist wrote: post #2

I’m looking forward to sometime next month or so: “Little click on one…”

He's fun, but my favorite favorite ones are where they forget about inertia or magnets.

"All is fair in Love and War"? The Geneva Convention would like to have a word with you on that. And good luck keeping someone who finds out what you did for love (and if you do, then you deserve each other), but all is definitely fair in lock picking.

Magnets, mallets, plastic pens, soda cans, springs, electric toothbrushes, masking tape, string, cardboard, water, salt water, we have seen it 'all' and the world is full of items that haven't even been tried yet because those all work pretty damned well.

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Post by threeseed »

Cyclical wrote: post #13

While very cool and seemingly well-designed, this seems like a derivative of the lock developed by the YouTuber StuffMadeHere. A little strange to see someone applying for a patent for a version of someone else's design.

> A little strange to see someone applying for a patent for a version of someone else's design.

Apparently it's common depending on the country you live.

Some countries have a first-to-file versus a first-to-invent patent system. And so you end up with people (often inventors or retired lawyers) who spend their days filing patents for other people's inventions. The idea being that they only need one or two of the patents in their lifetime to result in a massive payday for it be all worth it.

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Post by ryukafalz »

binarymax wrote: post #18

This looks very similar to the design[0] by Stuff Made Here (and collaborative hardening [1] suggestions by Lock Picking Lawyer)…an excellent set of videos. https://youtu.be/2A2NY29iQdI https://youtu.be/Ecy1FBdCRbQ

Beat me to it. Yeah, the idea of separating the input step from the test step is something that was done in that lock as well.

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Post by voldacar »

This actually might be unpickable. But the small space of keys (6^6 combinations) makes me think you could just fabricate every single key and test them one by one, if you were really determined

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Post by mNovak »

A lot of people saying this is similar/same to the lock from Stuff Made Here. Certainly both use the same concept of preventing single pin picking by separating the pin alignment and matching stages, but this does appear to be a unique design. SMH used a pushing mechanism to bind the pins in place before trialing a set of gates via rotation; this one sort of does the reverse, with pins never binding (see stack of separable wafers on each pin) put a pushing mechanism trials the combination.

This one does seem potentially more compact / compatible to existing form factors. Though it also looks like it'd be vulnerable to just torqueing it, depending on how strong that zigzag bit is. But I guess then you can just break the door.

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Post by bricemo »

I love how this follows the TED talk playbook:

1: “Here is a thing you are all familiar with”

2: “What if we thought about it DIFFERENTLY?”

3: “Here is the new yet intuitive way to think about it”

4: (Applause. Audience leaves with a easy-to-understand story to tell at cocktail parties)

Great work, and very cool lock.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Post by asojfdowgh »

ryukafalz wrote: post #25
binarymax wrote: post #18

This looks very similar to the design[0] by Stuff Made Here (and collaborative hardening [1] suggestions by Lock Picking Lawyer)…an excellent set of videos. https://youtu.be/2A2NY29iQdI https://youtu.be/Ecy1FBdCRbQ

Beat me to it. Yeah, the idea of separating the input step from the test step is something that was done in that lock as well.

Its the standard procedure for "unpickable" locks before SMH's lock too.
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