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Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by thebradbain »

koolba wrote: post #3

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> 24 weeks of maternity leave from Google

You know these 24 weeks aren't a vacation, right? They're about 100x more demanding then the average tech job, and on-call 24/7. Not to mention that after the 24 weeks are up, you still have another unpaid (in fact, you are paying!) full time job of raising a child for at least another 17.5 years. That is a tall task for someone hoping to climb in their career, even if they want a child, and it's just not the right time right now.

> Alternatively, keep the baby

The great and wonderful thing about abortion is that, even when it's legalized, someone who wants to have their baby can still choose to, if they wish. Just as they can choose not to.

And all of this is from the relatively cushy and overcompensated perspective of a tech career! Now imagine someone between minimum-wage jobs struggling to make rent every month. Do you know how many kids today were born and not given the time or resources from their parents to succeed, or worse, abused? Did you know the fact that – today – 1 in 2 people nationwide who are homeless were products of the foster care system [1] ?

https://nfyi.org/issues/homelessness/

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by aaomidi »

caiquelira wrote: post #16

Is it possible to avoid a flame war at this point? I believe this arricle is way too inflammatory, political and uninteresting for this forum.

You could for example, avoid the article and go comment on the ones you find more interesting.

This is a serious issue and these articles are important. If anything they put pressure on more companies.

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by JKCalhoun »

caiquelira wrote: post #16

Is it possible to avoid a flame war at this point? I believe this arricle is way too inflammatory, political and uninteresting for this forum.

If we only posted articles lacking in controversy that would be uninteresting.

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by zdragnar »

gadflyinyoureye wrote: post #10
lettergram wrote: post #6

I wonder if this is a business decision that has shown it could be profitable. I can imagine people without kids work more hours. Then again, they have a lot less to lose. Interesting business decision. The question I have, some states are going to call abortion murder and charge it as such. Is Google aiding and abetting a homicide?

Possibly. Now the fun will begin if when the Feds stake a claim via the Commerce Clause to make inter-state abortion travel a right. This could end run Roe's overturn because the Feds could say that a State not allowing abortions will affect the price of abortions much like the Feds said you can't hold back corn grown on your farm to feed your livestock because that would prevent the corn from going to market at a ma…

Setting aside the topic of abortion, that would be one precedent I would absolutely love to see the court overthrow. It was a terrible decision in the first place (wheat, not corn, IIRC) and the commerce clause is far too abused as a result.

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Post by jleyank »

Ignoring abortion, I suspect that states without contraception, IVF or gay rights will be of less interest to a significant portion of the tech workforce. Companies would have to provide alternatives unless they want to limit their hiring to red state natives. Good argument for wfh to get talent that just won’t go there.

Note that most contraceptives prevent implantation and IVF creates more embryos than needed. Both are no-no’s under the new regime. And miscarriages and stillbirths are going to be a legal minefield there.

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

gadflyinyoureye wrote: post #10
lettergram wrote: post #6

I wonder if this is a business decision that has shown it could be profitable. I can imagine people without kids work more hours. Then again, they have a lot less to lose. Interesting business decision. The question I have, some states are going to call abortion murder and charge it as such. Is Google aiding and abetting a homicide?

Possibly. Now the fun will begin if when the Feds stake a claim via the Commerce Clause to make inter-state abortion travel a right. This could end run Roe's overturn because the Feds could say that a State not allowing abortions will affect the price of abortions much like the Feds said you can't hold back corn grown on your farm to feed your livestock because that would prevent the corn from going to market at a ma…

Or Congress could just pass a law.

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Post by grapeskin »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #12
galangalalgol wrote: post #2

When TX first passed its law that allowed anyone to sue individuals that had or aided an abortion, Apple offered to pay for transport and the procedure for anyone at its new Austin campus. https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/09/17/apple-is-monitori...

Honestly, Apple should be dialing down investment in Texas.

It's odd how many corporations have policies to help their employees escape the laws of places like Texas and Florida, but they're more than happy to relocate their offices to those states for small tax reductions.

If they're truly against these policies, gutting those states of thousands of high earning jobs and refusing to build any new offices is the most effective way to do it.

The Russian sanctions actually surprised me in that a lot of corporations actually pulled out and fast. I'll be even more surprised if they stay out for years to come.

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Post by UkrainianJew »

hedora wrote: post #15

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Well, the whole reason why this situation took place is because people in red states are fed up with the influx of blue voters, that end up bringing in the exact problems that made them relocate.

This is how empires fall. As people with different political views no longer depend on each other economically, they drift more and more into opposite directions, until they do not want to share the same government anymore.

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Post by JKCalhoun »

grapeskin wrote: post #27
JKCalhoun wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, Apple should be dialing down investment in Texas.

It's odd how many corporations have policies to help their employees escape the laws of places like Texas and Florida, but they're more than happy to relocate their offices to those states for small tax reductions. If they're truly against these policies, gutting those states of thousands of high earning jobs and refusing to build any new offices is the most effective way to do it. The Russian sanctions actually surp…

Texas didn't look quite as insane a decade or so ago when Apple began ramping up their Austin offices. I wonder how Apple feels now though.
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