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Anonymous Cancels Operation Cartel as Los Zetas Track Hacktivists

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Re: Anonymous Cancels Operation Cartel as Los Zetas Track Hacktivists

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Post by dylangs1030 »

The trouble with movements like Anonymous is that there is no centralized authority. Further, a group pushing for anarchy is either hypocritical if it's effective (because it will be organized) or ineffective because it's anarchical and disorganized.

Anonymous is not a serious threat to large corporations. It may cost them a minor inconveniencr, but without centralized authority, the group has no real internal integrity (the question of whether or not a group claiming to work under the auspices of Anonymous is moot...because anyone can be Anonymous).

Re: Anonymous Cancels Operation Cartel as Los Zetas Track Hacktivists

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Post by tsotha »

lizzard wrote: post #8
w1ntermute wrote: post #2

Sounds like Los Zetas tracing the Anonymi is just coincidentally concurrent to their decision not to release the information. The real reason why they're not releasing it is because the civilians they were intending to expose aren't actually members of Los Zetas, and would just get killed by the cartel if they were to be exposed.

And they probably won't bother to trace actual Anonymous folks exposing this information but may end up targeting random people who are into computers, or even heavy social media users.

I think you're underestimating the reach of these cartels. I doubt they have the resources to find hackers, but they do have people feeding them information from inside the Mexican and US governments.

Also, the Anonymous people have made themselves a pain in the ass to governments who have the resources to find them. Even if the cartels don't have ears in the right place it's not hard for me to imagine a list of probable Anonymous members somehow making it into their hands.

Re: Anonymous Cancels Operation Cartel as Los Zetas Track Hacktivists

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Post by dylangs1030 »

MichaelApproved wrote: post #3

I applaud their desire to try and fight the cartel but its extremely dangerous and don't fault them for pulling back.

Not only is it extremely dangerous, but it is a campaign which would be incredibly difficult to do anonymously, and even more difficult to do with the resources available to a largely disorganized movement (read: no governing authority to direct the group's actions other than mob mentality).

Re: Anonymous Cancels Operation Cartel as Los Zetas Track Hacktivists

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Post by Joakal »

Interesting that they would cancel when many other de-centralised organisations would be pretty resilient. In fact, losing a member to the enemy would cause an outcry and drive more to join the cause.

eg Taliban, Al Qaeda, IRA, guerrillas, and more.

Whoever cancelled the operation just confirmed to the adversaries that they're easy to squash and immediately put the cause at risk. Adversaries are now more confident to risk further resources if it means they can destroy the cause.

They chose unwisely.

Re: Anonymous Cancels Operation Cartel as Los Zetas Track Hacktivists

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Post by jberryman »

MichaelApproved wrote: post #3

I applaud their desire to try and fight the cartel but its extremely dangerous and don't fault them for pulling back.

Just look at the photo at the top of the article of policemen with automatic rifle wearing masks to protect their identities. That is some terrifying stuff.

Re: Anonymous Cancels Operation Cartel as Los Zetas Track Hacktivists

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Post by hugh3 »

cpeterso wrote: post #16
redthrowaway wrote: post #9

This whole op was fishy from the get-go. For one, the person speaking in the original video had a mainland Spanish accent but used Mexican vocabulary. Two, no anons within Mexico spoke out in support of the op. Three, nobody was able to verify the claim that an anon was kidnapped in the first place. Four, nobody could figure out where this op was discussed or planned. It came out of the blue without any previous invo…

How do we know this op was announced by the "real" Anonymous? How long until the CIA is posing as Anonymous to incite rebellion in other countries (and/or make Anonymous look bad)?

Since when is there a "real" Anonymous? Heck, I went to an anti-scientology protest one time, surely that gives me as much of a right as anybody to claim to be Anonymous.

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Post by pvarangot »

hugh3 wrote: post #27
cpeterso wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do we know this op was announced by the "real" Anonymous? How long until the CIA is posing as Anonymous to incite rebellion in other countries (and/or make Anonymous look bad)?

Since when is there a "real" Anonymous? Heck, I went to an anti-scientology protest one time, surely that gives me as much of a right as anybody to claim to be Anonymous.

  > surely that gives me as much of a right as anybody to claim to be Anonymous
Now it doesn't.
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