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Calling for Antitrust Reform

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Re: Calling for Antitrust Reform

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The vertical monopolies enjoyed by tech behemoths are absurd. Ever since the Internet Explorer antitrust case [1] it should be clear that things like Apple disallowing other browsers in iOS or Google promoting its own sites in search results are illegal and anticompetitive. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor... .

Apple allows other browsers. They don't allow other browser engines. And I actually don't see how cementing the Chrome engine's dominance on iOS as well as other platforms is good for the web. Because inevitably that is what will happen as just like in the IE days, websites will only work on that browser as it offers the most proprietary features. And why would you develop for multiple browsers when Chrome is availab…

I thought you could change your search engine. I just did it on my iPad: Setting > Safari > Search Engine

https://9to5mac.com/2021/02/09/duckduckgo/

Re: Calling for Antitrust Reform

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Apple allows other browsers. They don't allow other browser engines. And I actually don't see how cementing the Chrome engine's dominance on iOS as well as other platforms is good for the web. Because inevitably that is what will happen as just like in the IE days, websites will only work on that browser as it offers the most proprietary features. And why would you develop for multiple browsers when Chrome is availab…

I thought you could change your search engine. I just did it on my iPad: Setting > Safari > Search Engine https://9to5mac.com/2021/02/09/duckduckgo/

The comment you replied to did not mention search engines at all. Yes, you can change your default search engine.

Re: Calling for Antitrust Reform

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That's not "antitrust reform". It's so narrowly drawn that it affects only maybe Facebook, Google, and Twitter. Read the definition of "covered platform". Arguably it's a bill of attainder.

Not arguable. Bills of Attainder refer to criminal laws and are specifically to stop government abuses of personal liberty. Corporations don’t have a guaranteed right to consistent laws, otherwise they wouldn’t spend so much on lobbying. The knife cuts both ways.

Re: Calling for Antitrust Reform

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought you could change your search engine. I just did it on my iPad: Setting > Safari > Search Engine https://9to5mac.com/2021/02/09/duckduckgo/

The comment you replied to did not mention search engines at all. Yes, you can change your default search engine.

You're right. I misread browser engine as search engine.

Re: Calling for Antitrust Reform

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https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/299... 6 Republican and 6 Democrat cosponsors. I like when they work together :]

I only skimmed the bill but wheneven I see both parties working together I know I need to be extra careful and look for hidden dangers because I am cynical like that.

Isn't it even worse when only one party sponsors or works on something? It could signal that they are completely willing to ignore the sentiments of the other half the congress represents.

Re: Calling for Antitrust Reform

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The vertical monopolies enjoyed by tech behemoths are absurd. Ever since the Internet Explorer antitrust case [1] it should be clear that things like Apple disallowing other browsers in iOS or Google promoting its own sites in search results are illegal and anticompetitive. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor... .

I teach antitrust to grads and undergrads. It doesn’t do anyone any good to call any of these firms “monopolies.” It’s not accurate, not for any of them. Nor was monopoly the issue in the Microsoft case (that was about bundling). There may be reasons to look at antitrust law and to change it with some of these firms and their behaviors in mind but “vertical monopoly” isn’t an accurate characterization of any of them.

Maybe the words as used in court don't reflect the generally understood meaning well.

Controlling and overcharging use of (one of the few) roads to the market, even in the case there are other roads farther away, and you can build your own road at an incredibly unfeasible cost, is what most people understand as a monopoly situation.

Arguably this is what Apple and Google are doing when they charge exorbitant fees from developers targeting their platform.

Re: Calling for Antitrust Reform

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The vertical monopolies enjoyed by tech behemoths are absurd. Ever since the Internet Explorer antitrust case [1] it should be clear that things like Apple disallowing other browsers in iOS or Google promoting its own sites in search results are illegal and anticompetitive. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor... .

I teach antitrust to grads and undergrads. It doesn’t do anyone any good to call any of these firms “monopolies.” It’s not accurate, not for any of them. Nor was monopoly the issue in the Microsoft case (that was about bundling). There may be reasons to look at antitrust law and to change it with some of these firms and their behaviors in mind but “vertical monopoly” isn’t an accurate characterization of any of them.

When a company can loose money on a competiting company just to drive the competing company out of business; I call that a monopoly.

No not monopolies like we had like the Bell telephone, but we have 2-3 huge companies that collude and stifle competition.

Proving collusion is hard these days though. Too many fresh faced MBA's who are atheists.

(I'm a Watch Repairer. I can't buy parts from The Swatch Group, or Reichmont. Why do we even have The Sherman Anti-trust Act if it's never used? I'm not saying dissolve these obvious conglomerations, but let's not encourage them. Why was ATT and T-Mobile allowed to combine. To tired to go on, but tired of ogliopolyssssss.

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