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Amazon Engineer Sues for Work from Home Costs

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Re: Amazon Engineer Sues for Work from Home Costs

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It does raise the question of why large companies _aren't_ responsible for paying for commuting costs. We've obviously never done it that way, but is there a reason that we couldn't?

Long time ago I worked for a company where people were paid for time they were travelling to the office (with transport cost covered on top of that). This rule applied only to older folks who had their contracts signed when such terms were offered (at the time when I was joining this clause was already removed). This was in London and some people were travelling 2 hours one way (so 4 hours of paid travelling time every day). Though.. I also thought it is a bit waste of life to spend 4 hours travelling every single day.

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The article makes 2 main points: 1) that this lawsuit will cause companies to take WFH away. and 2) It's extremely difficult to bill things like fractional electricity and internet usage. The first is a flimsy premise because companies simply don't have the power to take WFH away and I think they know that. If they did, they would. But the collectivization for WFH, brought by lockdowns, is far too powerful. So powerf…

Such a myopic view. How would you onboard new employees? I started a new job remotely and it was hell. I learned more in the first two weeks in the office than I did in the first 2 months working remotely.

I started a new job remotely (pre-COVID, the company had ~zero WFH) and onboarding was very smooth with two in-person interactions to pick up hardware; was contributing in less than two weeks.

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post #17
post #7

The article makes 2 main points: 1) that this lawsuit will cause companies to take WFH away. and 2) It's extremely difficult to bill things like fractional electricity and internet usage. The first is a flimsy premise because companies simply don't have the power to take WFH away and I think they know that. If they did, they would. But the collectivization for WFH, brought by lockdowns, is far too powerful. So powerf…

My company solved it by giving everybody a flat rate every month. We can use it for internet or getting a better office chair, or whatever we see fit. Seems fair.

That's the simplest, most effective option. And probably the cheapest too.

Re: Amazon Engineer Sues for Work from Home Costs

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post #7

The article makes 2 main points: 1) that this lawsuit will cause companies to take WFH away. and 2) It's extremely difficult to bill things like fractional electricity and internet usage. The first is a flimsy premise because companies simply don't have the power to take WFH away and I think they know that. If they did, they would. But the collectivization for WFH, brought by lockdowns, is far too powerful. So powerf…

Such a myopic view. How would you onboard new employees? I started a new job remotely and it was hell. I learned more in the first two weeks in the office than I did in the first 2 months working remotely.

Onboarding remote employees is different from in-person. If the company refuses to adapt then yeah, onboarding should be a pain.

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In australia you can claim things like internet or computer and such at home if it’s used for work. Used to claim back half my internet costs every year.

I’m pretty surprised that places like Amazon doesn’t pay for home internet. My current employeer it the first in a long time that doesn’t pay my internet bill.

Electricity can be deducted on my taxes, but I need a seperate meter if I want to do that.

Re: Amazon Engineer Sues for Work from Home Costs

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post #5

It does raise the question of why large companies _aren't_ responsible for paying for commuting costs. We've obviously never done it that way, but is there a reason that we couldn't?

Because (thank goodness) employers don’t have a say in where you live or what your commute looks like.

If you want a long train commute because you enjoy audiobooks and living near woodlands, great. If you want a studio apartment in the building next to the office, great. If you live halfway across the city but are already dropping your kid off at school next to the office, great.

The employer doesn’t need to know or become invested in any of those choices. Otherwise, we end up on a road where employers push for you to live in ways that are most appropriate to their financial interests. No thanks.

That said, many employers do offer things like universally available metro passes or gas cards as a token acknowledgment of commute costs more broadly. That seems like a good balance of autonomy and support.

Re: Amazon Engineer Sues for Work from Home Costs

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post #7

The article makes 2 main points: 1) that this lawsuit will cause companies to take WFH away. and 2) It's extremely difficult to bill things like fractional electricity and internet usage. The first is a flimsy premise because companies simply don't have the power to take WFH away and I think they know that. If they did, they would. But the collectivization for WFH, brought by lockdowns, is far too powerful. So powerf…

Such a myopic view. How would you onboard new employees? I started a new job remotely and it was hell. I learned more in the first two weeks in the office than I did in the first 2 months working remotely.

Honestly sounds like an issue with the company. I onboarded remotely and the experience was buttery smooth.

Re: Amazon Engineer Sues for Work from Home Costs

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post #7

The article makes 2 main points: 1) that this lawsuit will cause companies to take WFH away. and 2) It's extremely difficult to bill things like fractional electricity and internet usage. The first is a flimsy premise because companies simply don't have the power to take WFH away and I think they know that. If they did, they would. But the collectivization for WFH, brought by lockdowns, is far too powerful. So powerf…

Such a myopic view. How would you onboard new employees? I started a new job remotely and it was hell. I learned more in the first two weeks in the office than I did in the first 2 months working remotely.

My company has onboarded thousands of people since COVID started, and new employees are as productive as ever. There are enough successful companies that have been remote-only since day one and have no trouble with it. Sure onboarding is hard, whether in person or remote, but that doesn't mean it's an unsolvable problem.

Re: Amazon Engineer Sues for Work from Home Costs

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post #7

The article makes 2 main points: 1) that this lawsuit will cause companies to take WFH away. and 2) It's extremely difficult to bill things like fractional electricity and internet usage. The first is a flimsy premise because companies simply don't have the power to take WFH away and I think they know that. If they did, they would. But the collectivization for WFH, brought by lockdowns, is far too powerful. So powerf…

Such a myopic view. How would you onboard new employees? I started a new job remotely and it was hell. I learned more in the first two weeks in the office than I did in the first 2 months working remotely.

By having a comprehensive onboarding plan that is designed to give remote engineers everything that they need to get up to speed and start contributing.

As a counterpoint to your anecdote, I also just started a new job remotely at a company where they invested time and effort into their onboarding experience and it was miles better at preparing me for my role than when I onboarded at my previous two companies in person.

Re: Amazon Engineer Sues for Work from Home Costs

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In australia you can claim things like internet or computer and such at home if it’s used for work. Used to claim back half my internet costs every year.

I live in a US state with similar laws, and it's constantly a conversation of "do I need to remind you of state law?" when I'm asked to explain an expense report for an $80 monthly phone bill.

That conversation often evolves sometimes in to one of two separate discussions: "then give me a work phone" or "then hire an overnight crew".

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