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Has Hacker New Become Programmer News?

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Re: Has Hacker New Become Programmer News?

#21
(edit: note that this story has already been flagged!)

Don't overlook the reality of what happened to startup culture:

Early 2000s: Startups were cool but then the bubble burst and they became a laughing stock. Military and defense seemed like "serious" work, and startups like Palantir tried to bridge the gap.

By 2010 startups were again starting to attract people away from traditional "prestige" careers like investment banking, private equity, and medicine. This brought more of the standard careerist status seekers and crowded out some of the dreamers and visionaries, but there was generally room for everyone.

By 2015 the generational shift toward increasing numbers of millenials led to a blurring of the distinction between careerists and dreamers in favor of a more pragmatic form of work identity centered around work/life balance. The pandemic and some long overdue social movements accelerated this further.

But the downside of the millennial "integration" of work+life is the increased appreciation of stability and harmony. This pushes organizations toward monoculture and sometimes (sadly) toward censorship and the elevation of conformity, albeit a variety of conformity that allows for a fair bit of individual aesthetic expression (fashion, pronouns, etc.)

In that sense, HN is simply following the trend, and may in fact have helped lead the charge. Mods want HN to embody the ideals of being predictable, respectable, authoritative, as well as supportive and empathetic. The idea adopted by the mods is that when you remove conspiracy theories, flame wars, and overtly political topics, you achieve those ideals.

Re: Has Hacker New Become Programmer News?

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This is a new inversion to me. The common complaint used to be that HN has become too much of a startup hustler site and strayed away from its programming roots, as in: “Back in the good old days you’d have the front page full of Erlang articles only”

The original poster might a point, at least from a certain point of view. The topics on HN are programming topics but they're almost all corporate / enterprise programming topics. Contrast that with the mythos of hackers from the pre-2000s era and their romanticized tales of nerd badassery in pushing hardware and software to its limits and their rebelliousness against what the "suits" (corporate programmers, a.k.a. us) say they're supposed to be able to do and HN would seem to have very little to do with hacking and its spirit of curiosity.

Re: Has Hacker New Become Programmer News?

#23
> Does anybody else have the feeling HN somehow became "programmer news" along the way?

Your definition of "hacker" may vary, but a hacker with a computer is also a programmer.

Considering that Hacker News is a website accessed via the internet using a computer.

So a hacker can hack on things without a von Neumann-style computer.

But if you are hacking on it, you'd be a programmer.

Re: Has Hacker New Become Programmer News?

#24

I think you have it backwards. Here is an alternative, not very popular, but maybe that's what you want. I started at Digg, it got overran with normies, then went to reddit, same thing, now hackernews is filled with normies. HN has always been a Startup site, but us programmer geeks also have interest in tech. Now people post their projects and don't even explain what they are or anything, and regular news shows up h…

I'm sorry we keep doing this to you.
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