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Re: OpenBSD folklore and share/misc/airport

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Post by netsharc » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 9:05 AM UTC

FearNotDaniel wrote: post #13

traceroute66 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Which makes you wonder why some railway stations would have a IATA code. Such locations, which can also be bus stations and ferry ports, are known as "intermodal locations". TL;DR its for ticketing purposes to enable flight and rail/bus/ferry legs to be issued on the same ticket. Or at least that's the theory. To be honest its probably going be extinct in due course, given the complexities of integrating the airlin…

Or sometimes it's just a bus stop, in a car park, with perhaps a small portaloo and a hot dog stand. Several times I've booked a through ticket from Salzburg to London Heathrow via Munich and the Salzburg-Munich leg was a bus ride that included a 'layover' at ZPR. According to [0] "Airport of Rosenheim is the most important airport of Rosenheim, Germany. It is modern and one of the largest airport of the Europe. Airp…

Sigh, bot-generated content litters the whole internet. I was doing some address completion stuff and learned about virtual ZIP codes in my country, i.e. ZIP codes that are just for routing and don't have a geographical area, but if you look them up on the Internet of course there are sites that say "$ZIP is a city in the state of $STATE".

Hey Elon, can you pay $15 billion to get rid of bots on the Internet?

Re: OpenBSD folklore and share/misc/airport

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Post by Bad_CRC » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 9:13 AM UTC

leugim wrote: post #8

I visited 4 airports that aren't in the list. Do you think I can add them to the list? Never committed before to OpenBSD so I do not know if I compute as a "OpenBSD developers" in "New airports can only be added by OpenBSD developers who have visited an airport and thereby have verified its existence."

I've checked and at least one airport is missing from the list that I've been too.

Re: OpenBSD folklore and share/misc/airport

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Post by brynet » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 9:24 AM UTC

em500 wrote: post #20

brynet wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

History is so quickly forgotten: https://www.openbsd.org/hackathons.html .. also: https://www.openbsd.org/events.html

Your reply doesn't seem to answer my question at all. I opened both links, searched for "airport" and "IATA" and nothing relevant came up.

Well then here's a few more keywords for you. 'jet-lag', 'travel'.

Hackathons tentatively take place in airport lounges.

Re: OpenBSD folklore and share/misc/airport

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Post by mellavora » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 9:24 AM UTC

netsharc wrote: post #21

FearNotDaniel wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or sometimes it's just a bus stop, in a car park, with perhaps a small portaloo and a hot dog stand. Several times I've booked a through ticket from Salzburg to London Heathrow via Munich and the Salzburg-Munich leg was a bus ride that included a 'layover' at ZPR. According to [0] "Airport of Rosenheim is the most important airport of Rosenheim, Germany. It is modern and one of the largest airport of the Europe. Airp…

Sigh, bot-generated content litters the whole internet. I was doing some address completion stuff and learned about virtual ZIP codes in my country, i.e. ZIP codes that are just for routing and don't have a geographical area, but if you look them up on the Internet of course there are sites that say "$ZIP is a city in the state of $STATE". Hey Elon, can you pay $15 billion to get rid of bots on the Internet?

to be pendantic, all (US) ZIP codes are just for routing. Any correspondence to a geographical area is an artifact of this, and subject to change. Also, it is possible for two ZIP codes to overlap geographically.

Re: OpenBSD folklore and share/misc/airport

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Post by mjg59 » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 9:33 AM UTC

mrweasel wrote: post #3

efortis wrote: post #2

Not your everyday caveats section: https://man.openbsd.org/airport.7#CAVEATS

Which makes you wonder why some railway stations would have a IATA code.

Up until very recently United had codeshares with Amtrak on the north-east corridor, and could even rebook onto Amtrak in the event of flight disruption. Lufthansa still offers connections to and from Deutsche Bahn on the same ticket (https://www.lufthansa.com/tr/en/rail-and-fly)

Re: OpenBSD folklore and share/misc/airport

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Post by Doctor_Fegg » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 9:34 AM UTC

roydivision wrote: post #12

em500 wrote: post #10

Ok, I'll ask the obvious. Why is OpenBSD trying to maintain a list of IATA airport codes? (And before you ask why not, try to think of some answers yourself first. I can come up with a few drawbacks, though I'm nowhere close to a subject expert.)

And whatever the valid reason, why isn’t it an import of some official list?

Official lists are very often not permissively licensed (or openly at all).

Re: OpenBSD folklore and share/misc/airport

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Post by hoppyhoppy2 » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 9:41 AM UTC

roydivision wrote: post #12

em500 wrote: post #10

Ok, I'll ask the obvious. Why is OpenBSD trying to maintain a list of IATA airport codes? (And before you ask why not, try to think of some answers yourself first. I can come up with a few drawbacks, though I'm nowhere close to a subject expert.)

And whatever the valid reason, why isn’t it an import of some official list?

Because that would require trusting some third party that claims (accurately? deceptively? who knows) that those airports exist. As maintainers of and contributors to a security-focused OS, OpenBSD devs want to verify the existence of each airport themselves before deciding it's fit for inclusion.

Re: OpenBSD folklore and share/misc/airport

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Post by compsciphd » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 9:56 AM UTC

codetrotter wrote: post #4

Here’s a copy of the current version of the file itself https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/share/misc/airpor...

I'd argue that there's a bug. while TLV would appear to imply that the airport is in Tel Aviv, it is not. :)

Re: OpenBSD folklore and share/misc/airport

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Post by mrweasel » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 10:04 AM UTC

em500 wrote: post #10

Ok, I'll ask the obvious. Why is OpenBSD trying to maintain a list of IATA airport codes? (And before you ask why not, try to think of some answers yourself first. I can come up with a few drawbacks, though I'm nowhere close to a subject expert.)

There's also share/misc/birthtoken with a list of birth stones and flowers. That's actually much more weird than a list of airport codes.

https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/share/misc/birthtoken

Re: OpenBSD folklore and share/misc/airport

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Post by gspr » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 10:22 AM UTC

compsciphd wrote: post #28

codetrotter wrote: post #4

Here’s a copy of the current version of the file itself https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/share/misc/airpor...

I'd argue that there's a bug. while TLV would appear to imply that the airport is in Tel Aviv, it is not. :)

And they list OSL as "all airports around Oslo, Norway". That's not the case, OSL is one particular airport (the main one, Gardermoen). They correctly list the second airport as TRF.