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macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro

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Re: macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro

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Post by pxmpxm »

cywick wrote: post #4

It's really disappointing how aggressively they have started to drop macOS support for slightly older Macs. Big Sur, which was released in Nov 2020, still supported the MacBook Air (2013) and the MacBook Pro (Late 2013). When Ventura is released only two years later, not even the MacBook Pro (2016) is supported, which was sold until Jun 2017. The fact that Ventura even drops support for a Mac that they sold until Dec…

I've got an upgraded 2007 mac mini (core 2 duo or something?) running as a time machine server with uptime of like 5 months. By far the most stable thing we've got at home.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro

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Post by dereg »

exabrial wrote: post #17

The joke is Apple and its employees think they're a "green" company. These systems have a lot of life left in them.

They're not flipping a kill switch on these devices. They just won't be running the newest OS. I don't see how these two things (software updates and hardware longevity/recyclability) are at all related.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro

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Post by Gigachad »

johndoe0815 wrote: post #10
devit wrote: post #8

Use desktop Linux, the only operating system that respects you and the usefulness of the hardware you own by supporting all hardware forever.

Not quite... Linux has also deprecated and removed support for processor architectures and devices (though pretty obscure architectures and peripherals such as ISDN controllers) - see https://lwn.net/Articles/769468/

As far as I know, you are free to add them back in whenever you want. Support is removed from the kernel when no one is around to maintain the feature. If a breaking change has to be made and no one steps up to implement it, the support gets dropped.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro

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Post by duskwuff »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #16
GiorgioG wrote: post #2

The end of Intel-based Macs is fast approaching.

Yet they still sell them.

Barely. After today's announcement, I believe the only Intel Macs remaining are the Mac Pro and (weirdly) one configuration of the Mac Mini.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro

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Post by dainiusse »

dereg wrote: post #22
exabrial wrote: post #17

The joke is Apple and its employees think they're a "green" company. These systems have a lot of life left in them.

They're not flipping a kill switch on these devices. They just won't be running the newest OS. I don't see how these two things (software updates and hardware longevity/recyclability) are at all related.

They are. Apple always uses it's ecosystem...

Re: macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro

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Post by vanilla_nut »

devit wrote: post #8

Use desktop Linux, the only operating system that respects you and the usefulness of the hardware you own by supporting all hardware forever.

I’ve got a 2015 15” Macbook Pro that’s still performing admirably. Anyone know how it works with Linux? Curious about trackpad respnsiveness, media keys, and battery life/heat/performance.

I use Linux on my PC laptops, but I’ve never installed it on a Mac because macOS has always integrated nicely with the hardware. Gestures seem to be a big hurdle.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro

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Post by KerrAvon »

duskwuff wrote: post #26
KptMarchewa wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet they still sell them.

Barely. After today's announcement, I believe the only Intel Macs remaining are the Mac Pro and (weirdly) one configuration of the Mac Mini.

Yes. I believe that situation is unchanged from before the announcement, unless I missed something.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro

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Post by dereg »

dainiusse wrote: post #27
dereg wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not flipping a kill switch on these devices. They just won't be running the newest OS. I don't see how these two things (software updates and hardware longevity/recyclability) are at all related.

They are. Apple always uses it's ecosystem...

As a counterpoint, I have a 2011 MBA that I still use from time to time. It doesn't have half a decade of updates but it does everything that it used to do, just fine. I primarily use it as my no-distraction writing device.
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