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Indoor air filtration could lead to increased airborne endotoxin levels (2020)

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Re: Indoor air filtration could lead to increased airborne endotoxin levels (2020)

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The contrast indicates that regularly replacing the HEPA filters of APs could represent an effective method of avoiding increased endotoxins in the filtered air. That's a pretty clickbaity paper title. The lede was buried. A better title would have been: Regularly replacing HEPA filters may reduce endotoxins in filtered air I'm a high school drop out so what do I know.

It’s not that simple though, the study states that replacing the filters removes large endotoxins, but not small ones. The small ones are still present

Re: Indoor air filtration could lead to increased airborne endotoxin levels (2020)

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Would someone who understands this better mind explaining? For example, should we be stop using air purifiers.

If you have a dirty filter it may be actually making your air quality worse (in some ways) than just not running the filter at all. It seems like bacteria caught in the filter are dying and releasing endotoxins, which are small enough to escape the filter and then are sent throughout the environment.

Could you spray the filter with Lysol or another generic disinfectant every once in a while? I do that with my car filter.

Re: Indoor air filtration could lead to increased airborne endotoxin levels (2020)

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Roughly speaking, 2× the levels compared to purifier off, if I understand the paper correctly. Considering that running a purifier lowers my yearly average PM2.5 exposure by approximately 60-80×, I think I'll continue running the purifier. Interesting data nonetheless.

Apparently, all you have to do is replace the filter, which should be done anyways.

EDIT: and apparently I was wrong.

"Overall, endotoxins deposition in the alveolar region increased regardless of whether the air purifier was loaded with used or new HEPA filters."

Re: Indoor air filtration could lead to increased airborne endotoxin levels (2020)

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have a dirty filter it may be actually making your air quality worse (in some ways) than just not running the filter at all. It seems like bacteria caught in the filter are dying and releasing endotoxins, which are small enough to escape the filter and then are sent throughout the environment.

Could you spray the filter with Lysol or another generic disinfectant every once in a while? I do that with my car filter.

No. Your disinfectant droplets are not going to do much to stuff embedded deep inside the filter.

Car cabin filters should be replaced too.

Re: Indoor air filtration could lead to increased airborne endotoxin levels (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have a dirty filter it may be actually making your air quality worse (in some ways) than just not running the filter at all. It seems like bacteria caught in the filter are dying and releasing endotoxins, which are small enough to escape the filter and then are sent throughout the environment.

> If you have a dirty filter it may be actually making your air quality worse (in some ways) than just not running the filter at all. I might have to check the air filter. I’ve been having the worst sinus issues I’ve ever had outside a sinus infection. My eyes constantly tear up, my nose will on occasionally completely shuts, and I’ve been having back to back sneezing attacks. I originally chalked it up to seasonal a…

It might be a good idea to seek medical advice from your doctor

Re: Indoor air filtration could lead to increased airborne endotoxin levels (2020)

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I have been monitoring my indoor house air for two years now, and attempting to keep my air as healthy as possible. I have found that:

1) If you are lucky enough to live in an area with clean air, opening a window is orders of magnitude quicker and more effective way to clean air.

2) Gas stoves are the worst thing you can do to your house air (a fume Hood can partially mitigate this)

3) You should be weary of using any cleaning product without ventilation (open windows for a whole day)

4) HEPA filters work, but slowly. Realize you can sneeze into these things and some % of your sneeze goes right through/around the filter. They need multiple passes to fully clean the air. Big quiet HEPA filters are the way to go.

5) Activated Carbon filters grab the stuff HEPA can't but they are very slow at it, and I haven't found anything commercial that works. The thin black layer on filters doesn't work, you need something more commercial like the ones people use when they are home growing weed. IMO, the effect of these is really hard to measure and I wouldn't personally suggest this right now.

6) Humidity control is important for health and has a relationship to air particulates

All of this work and basically I open windows any nice days, when I'm cleaning, and when I cook. Many HEPA filters and a beefy carbon filter cant compete with this. Even if it means running up the heat/AC bill a bit. I'm considering some sort of heat exchanger with filters in the future, but that is overkill. I am privileged to have nice air outside though and I realize this isn't THE solution for everyone.

As far as this article goes. HEPA filters are supposed to be replaced every 6 months, but even older filters get rid of so many particulates that we KNOW are bad for you it seems worth this tradeoff. Maybe a HEPA filter with a UV light could help (not by much probably), but be weary of "24 stage filters" and all that nonsense. HEPA is all most houses really need.

Re: Indoor air filtration could lead to increased airborne endotoxin levels (2020)

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you have a dirty filter it may be actually making your air quality worse (in some ways) than just not running the filter at all. I might have to check the air filter. I’ve been having the worst sinus issues I’ve ever had outside a sinus infection. My eyes constantly tear up, my nose will on occasionally completely shuts, and I’ve been having back to back sneezing attacks. I originally chalked it up to seasonal a…

It might be a good idea to seek medical advice from your doctor

Last time I spoke with a doctor about sinus issues they just told me to grab some OTC remedy and that was mostly it

Re: Indoor air filtration could lead to increased airborne endotoxin levels (2020)

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The contrast indicates that regularly replacing the HEPA filters of APs could represent an effective method of avoiding increased endotoxins in the filtered air. That's a pretty clickbaity paper title. The lede was buried. A better title would have been: Regularly replacing HEPA filters may reduce endotoxins in filtered air I'm a high school drop out so what do I know.

"Overall, endotoxins deposition in the alveolar region increased regardless of whether the air purifier was loaded with used or new HEPA filters."

Re: Indoor air filtration could lead to increased airborne endotoxin levels (2020)

#30
post #2

Would someone who understands this better mind explaining? For example, should we be stop using air purifiers.

It sounds like they're saying that you need to replace your filters periodically.

Isn't this something of a "duh" kind of result though. The packaging on filters give suggested replace after X days kind of info. Yes, the average person doesn't change filters frequently enough, but people with allergies probably do it more regularly. These types of studies just help explain why the manufacture of the filters suggest estimated time of replacing. I say suggest because the filters I use suggest 90 days, but I live with a cat and no carpet, so it gets clogged much faster than 90 days.
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