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Angular v14 is now available

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Re: Angular v14 is now available

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Post by askonomm »

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #12
askonomm wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because of the whole "master" meaning a slave owner thing that the progressive left seems to think it means and it apparently hurt enough feelings to make it a movement (default main branch on Github repos is now also "main" because of this), and then you have companies that desperately try to be hip and cool, and they do this to get social clout. The whole thing is pretty sad if you ask me, but what do I know.

This has nothing to do with left/right. This is a racial issue. People of color exist along the entire political spectrum.

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Re: Angular v14 is now available

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Post by hinkley »

askonomm wrote: post #3
theodorejb wrote: post #2

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Because of the whole "master" meaning a slave owner thing that the progressive left seems to think it means and it apparently hurt enough feelings to make it a movement (default main branch on Github repos is now also "main" because of this), and then you have companies that desperately try to be hip and cool, and they do this to get social clout. The whole thing is pretty sad if you ask me, but what do I know.

I'm on board for removing 'master-slave' terminology from peripherals and replication terminology. I'm on board for removing blacklist/whitelist. But "master" has other meanings besides subjugation. In particular, proficiency or perfection. It was always my sense that git master branch was meant in the same sense as 'gold master' in recording and duplication, or 'master piece' in art and skilled labor.

That said, branches come from trunks, not master or main, and it always felt like a bit of fuckery that git changed the subversion terminology that most of the eventual target audience was already familiar with. Changing to "main" is just confidently incorrect grandstanding. If you're gonna 'fix it' then bloody well fix it.

Re: Angular v14 is now available

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Post by Zetaphor »

cjhowarddev wrote: post #13
rychco wrote: post #6

I'm kind of amazed Angular is still around. I hadn't heard of it for what feels like years at this point & assumed it was already in the graveyard. My company tried using it back in 2017ish but it was a pain for us at the time. Other than Google's own services, does anyone have any examples or experiences using Angular nowadays?

I used Angular at my last company. After having used react for many years and then experimenting with svelte, Angular (even the most modern versions) felt like it was always in my way. Bi-directional data binding and the isolation between style, structure, and logic felt was less productive. Angular has some nice properties, like dependency injection built in, but you can circumvent many of those needs with a functio…

As someone who is now a couple years into using Angular after a number of years working with Vue (since 1.0) your observations are accurate. It doesn't really get any better as you become more familiar with the framework.

Re: Angular v14 is now available

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Post by askonomm »

iueotnmunto wrote: post #9
askonomm wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because of the whole "master" meaning a slave owner thing that the progressive left seems to think it means and it apparently hurt enough feelings to make it a movement (default main branch on Github repos is now also "main" because of this), and then you have companies that desperately try to be hip and cool, and they do this to get social clout. The whole thing is pretty sad if you ask me, but what do I know.

It takes a few minutes to switch. Maybe a bit more to rebind all CI scripts etc in a project as large as react. There are some things that I don't fully get (slavery was never big in my country). It takes a few minutes of effort to not be an asshole (real or perceived), so I just do it rather than thinking to much about whether or not the wider population should be offended or not.

Yes, you're right, and I also do it. Doesn't mean however that I need to bury my head in the sand in topics such as this and never mention it.

Re: Angular v14 is now available

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Post by Joeri »

askonomm wrote: post #3
theodorejb wrote: post #2

Quoted post unavailable.

Because of the whole "master" meaning a slave owner thing that the progressive left seems to think it means and it apparently hurt enough feelings to make it a movement (default main branch on Github repos is now also "main" because of this), and then you have companies that desperately try to be hip and cool, and they do this to get social clout. The whole thing is pretty sad if you ask me, but what do I know.

In technology master was always paired with slave, so yes, the word master in technology does indeed imply the meaning of slave owner.

I do agree that getting that bent out of shape about the semantics of the names of inanimate objects like git branches is a bit weird, but then I am also talking from a position of privilege and have no lived experience of being treated differently because of my ancestry. The way I figure: if some people care that much that it is called “main” and not “master”, and I don’t really care either way, why not let them have that one?

Re: Angular v14 is now available

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Post by jjtheblunt »

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #12
askonomm wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because of the whole "master" meaning a slave owner thing that the progressive left seems to think it means and it apparently hurt enough feelings to make it a movement (default main branch on Github repos is now also "main" because of this), and then you have companies that desperately try to be hip and cool, and they do this to get social clout. The whole thing is pretty sad if you ask me, but what do I know.

This has nothing to do with left/right. This is a racial issue. People of color exist along the entire political spectrum.

I'd say it's not even only a racial issue (but predominately was/is in the United States), but a socioeconomic one, with racial correlations.

There are plenty of modern day indentured servitude exploitations afoot: the leaked internal Amazon documents about it being business policy to keep engineering hires for less than two years, while preserving managers who fire them, is an example that springs to mind.

Re: Angular v14 is now available

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Post by dmitriid »

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #12
askonomm wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because of the whole "master" meaning a slave owner thing that the progressive left seems to think it means and it apparently hurt enough feelings to make it a movement (default main branch on Github repos is now also "main" because of this), and then you have companies that desperately try to be hip and cool, and they do this to get social clout. The whole thing is pretty sad if you ask me, but what do I know.

This has nothing to do with left/right. This is a racial issue. People of color exist along the entire political spectrum.

Switching master to main has literally nothing to do with the imaginary (in this particular case) racial issue.

Master bedrooms and master records exist. People master their trades. And so on and so on.

My understanding is that the absolute vast majority of people of color couldn't care less if git branch was called master or main.

Re: Angular v14 is now available

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Post by flakiness »

Zetaphor wrote: post #18
rychco wrote: post #6

I'm kind of amazed Angular is still around. I hadn't heard of it for what feels like years at this point & assumed it was already in the graveyard. My company tried using it back in 2017ish but it was a pain for us at the time. Other than Google's own services, does anyone have any examples or experiences using Angular nowadays?

You're confusing your own experience for the reality of the market. My last three employers use Angular. My current employer just replaced an AngularJS app with a new Angular 11 app for a Fortune 100 client. Go to a job listing site and you'll find just as many positions hiring for an Angular dev (often paired with C#/ASP) as you will React.

FYI there is 10 Angular vs 99 React (# of word occurrences) in a recent "who's hiring" thread [1].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31582796

Re: Angular v14 is now available

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Post by ng12 »

rychco wrote: post #6

I'm kind of amazed Angular is still around. I hadn't heard of it for what feels like years at this point & assumed it was already in the graveyard. My company tried using it back in 2017ish but it was a pain for us at the time. Other than Google's own services, does anyone have any examples or experiences using Angular nowadays?

Angular is popular at places the HN crowd tends to not work at (banks, consulting, fortune whatevers). Not sure why that is.
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