It's also interesting to see how piracy builds a market in third world countries without the companies even being present there. Like their example, Russians were pirating games and software long before Valve or other companies had a presence there, and as soon as they came in, they already had clients. It was the same with Microsoft's Windows and Office - people got so used to them, for example, in Poland, Latvia, R…
Valve: Piracy Is More About Convenience Than Price
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Re: Valve: Piracy Is More About Convenience Than Price
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
I buy, play, then sell games. Steam does not let me do this; thus those games are more expensive to me. I do not buy Steam games.
Unfortunately for you, the game's industry is slowly and inevitably moving towards personal subscription based purchases. This is slowly driving down the price of games (which is a good thing), and hopefully it'll lead to higher revenues for publishers so (the good ones) can continue to make more and better games. More money for publishers and cheaper games for individuals? I think it's pretty win-win. The second han…
It's my guess that this model will work until the first major publisher, for whatever reason, collapses - or simply stops bothering with providing access to older games. Then people will realize how insane and retarded this entire system of "paying for access" is. Same goes for cloud computing, by the way.
Besides, you are confusing publishers and developers. Valve is a rare case where both are one and the same, making them a very weird exception, but in general, direct distribution is bad for publishers (which is a good thing). It's really the same as with the (major) labels.
>Imagine how much Portal 2 cost Valve to make, was it worth it?
Valve is also a rare case in that they still make games worth playing. Most of the rest of the industry is a sea of bland, uncreative genericness with fancy graphics. I acknowledge Valve for this, but I still refuse to pay for access to games. I want a copy that plays where I want, whenever I want, and that still works three decades from now.
Until this insanity stops, I hoist the black flag. Yarr.
Re: Valve: Piracy Is More About Convenience Than Price
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
>But it should be noted that Steam's pre-release anti-piracy has no yet been broken. So it's not like they don't do DRM... In regards to pre-lease, A bit of a stretch calling what Valve does DRM. The pre-release stuff is straight up encrypted. It's a convenience for the end-user to pre-load the data. Once the game gets released you don't need to contact valve's servers for decryption keys every time you want to play.…
That's Steam's secret right there, yeah? Use DRM to make the product more convenient, and pirates will pay you for the privilege.
Re: Valve: Piracy Is More About Convenience Than Price
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
>But it should be noted that Steam's pre-release anti-piracy has no yet been broken. So it's not like they don't do DRM... In regards to pre-lease, A bit of a stretch calling what Valve does DRM. The pre-release stuff is straight up encrypted. It's a convenience for the end-user to pre-load the data. Once the game gets released you don't need to contact valve's servers for decryption keys every time you want to play.…
That's Steam's secret right there, yeah? Use DRM to make the product more convenient, and pirates will pay you for the privilege.
Re: Valve: Piracy Is More About Convenience Than Price
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
I buy, play, then sell games. Steam does not let me do this; thus those games are more expensive to me. I do not buy Steam games.
Unfortunately for you, the game's industry is slowly and inevitably moving towards personal subscription based purchases. This is slowly driving down the price of games (which is a good thing), and hopefully it'll lead to higher revenues for publishers so (the good ones) can continue to make more and better games. More money for publishers and cheaper games for individuals? I think it's pretty win-win. The second han…
No, it doesn't.
"The second hand car market really short changes the auto manufacturers."
Re: Valve: Piracy Is More About Convenience Than Price
#26I know that I didn't buy games before Steam, or at least as much as I do now. But price is also a factor. I really have to think about it when a game costs more than $15, but Steam usually has good games on sale anyway. Steam and other digital distributors have made me more of a gamer.
I buy, play, then sell games. Steam does not let me do this; thus those games are more expensive to me. I do not buy Steam games.
Re: Valve: Piracy Is More About Convenience Than Price
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately for you, the game's industry is slowly and inevitably moving towards personal subscription based purchases. This is slowly driving down the price of games (which is a good thing), and hopefully it'll lead to higher revenues for publishers so (the good ones) can continue to make more and better games. More money for publishers and cheaper games for individuals? I think it's pretty win-win. The second han…
> The second hand game market really short changes the publishers, and it's very expensive to make a top title! No, it doesn't. "The second hand car market really short changes the auto manufacturers."
When you're sold a DVD in a game on it, you're buying the physical DVD to the same degree to which you're buying the wrapper when you buy a candy bar - as a container of the useful purchase. When you're buying a car, you're buying a car.
Re: Valve: Piracy Is More About Convenience Than Price
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately for you, the game's industry is slowly and inevitably moving towards personal subscription based purchases. This is slowly driving down the price of games (which is a good thing), and hopefully it'll lead to higher revenues for publishers so (the good ones) can continue to make more and better games. More money for publishers and cheaper games for individuals? I think it's pretty win-win. The second han…
>Unfortunately for you, the game's industry is slowly and inevitably moving towards personal subscription based purchases. It's my guess that this model will work until the first major publisher, for whatever reason, collapses - or simply stops bothering with providing access to older games. Then people will realize how insane and retarded this entire system of "paying for access" is. Same goes for cloud computing, b…
Re: Valve: Piracy Is More About Convenience Than Price
#29Re: Valve: Piracy Is More About Convenience Than Price
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately for you, the game's industry is slowly and inevitably moving towards personal subscription based purchases. This is slowly driving down the price of games (which is a good thing), and hopefully it'll lead to higher revenues for publishers so (the good ones) can continue to make more and better games. More money for publishers and cheaper games for individuals? I think it's pretty win-win. The second han…
> The second hand game market really short changes the publishers, and it's very expensive to make a top title! No, it doesn't. "The second hand car market really short changes the auto manufacturers."