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Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Post by candiddevmike » Fri, May 27, 2022, 5:28 PM UTC

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That's the impression I get from the media. But if not for the media, I wouldn't know anybody was dying of anything. Nobody in any of my social circles have died in over 3 years. Going off what I've personally observed, I've seen no evidence of either a pandemic or the vaccines being dangerous. To be clear, I don't think it's all made up. Just that it's been blown up, completely out of proportion. All of it.

I had 2 die in family past year. Both rigorously vaxxed. Both sudden unexpected heart failure.

Correlation is not causation. It's funny that folks point at vaccines while ignoring pre existing conditions, yet with COVID it was the pre existing conditions and not COVID that were killing people.

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Fri, May 27, 2022, 5:29 PM UTC

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> What were they even right about with the vaccine?

The things it was tested for. Preventing hospitalization and death from Covid. Which the Pfizer, Moderna and even J&J shots are terrifically good at.

> credibility is going to be lost if we don’t pull heads out of butts

So? The people who matter mostly got the message. People who wanted protection mostly got it.

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Post by n3storm » Fri, May 27, 2022, 5:29 PM UTC

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Do you mean co-depending from anonymous internet opinions and advice is a form of mental illness? I agree.

Have to see the mistmach though you point out.

I just see some scientifically based decissions, recomendations and solutions to really well studied problems, and also see lot of people making noise since the 70s about vax, chemtrails, MMS, Chakras, ivervectine, himalaian salt, bach flowers, ozone, and whatever looks like shiny new to solve all your problems all together.

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Post by sto_hristo » Fri, May 27, 2022, 5:30 PM UTC

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Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Post by spookthesunset » Fri, May 27, 2022, 5:30 PM UTC

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COVID infections, even mild or asymptomatic ones, can cause significant heart damage: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00403-0 This doesn't mean every COVID infection is going to cause permanent heart damage for everyone. But increases in heart failure, etc. could definitely be from the massive, nearly unmitigated global spread of COVID-19.

I would love to compare these rates against other common respiratory viruses. Long term effects from viral infections is not unique to covid. The only thing unique about covid is we are watching it 1000x more than anything previous to it.

... if you look for something, you'll find it. Test everybody with a pulse for the flu and then track the long term effects the same way we are with covid and I'm sure you'll see a very similar result. It's just nobody gave a shit about it until covid put it on the radar.

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Post by qbasic_forever » Fri, May 27, 2022, 5:30 PM UTC

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In what universe would getting vaccinated be getting conned? It's the smartest thing you could have done. AFAIK covid vaccines are not connected with heart issues beyond rather rare and generally mild cases of myocarditis, but getting covid is strongly connected to heart problems.

Is it really fair to call any form of cardiovascular dysfunction "mild"?

Tons of people have atrial fibrillation or other easily managed or mild heart conditions. Many people have no idea they even have issues until they get an Apple watch and it starts alerting them that their heart rate is fluctuating unexpectedly.

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Post by JamesBarney » Fri, May 27, 2022, 5:30 PM UTC

The problem with a study like this is that they probably aren't doing a good job distinguish true long covid from psychosomatic long covid. And there is a lot of evidence that "long covid" correlates much more highly with pre-existing anxiety levels than disease severity.

I think long covid exists I just think there is also a lot of psychosomatic long covid and until we have a good diagnostic criteria to differentiate the two it'll be really hard to study it.

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Post by qbasic_forever » Fri, May 27, 2022, 5:32 PM UTC

spookthesunset wrote: post #25

qbasic_forever wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

COVID infections, even mild or asymptomatic ones, can cause significant heart damage: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00403-0 This doesn't mean every COVID infection is going to cause permanent heart damage for everyone. But increases in heart failure, etc. could definitely be from the massive, nearly unmitigated global spread of COVID-19.

I would love to compare these rates against other common respiratory viruses. Long term effects from viral infections is not unique to covid. The only thing unique about covid is we are watching it 1000x more than anything previous to it. ... if you look for something, you'll find it. Test everybody with a pulse for the flu and then track the long term effects the same way we are with covid and I'm sure you'll see a…

COVID virus spike protein attaches directly to ACE2 receptors which are found all over the blood vessels in the body. It is uniquely evolved to target and damage the vascular system in the body.

edit: And people ARE tracking things like flu vs. COVID statistics. So far COVID-19 is roughly 10x as deadly as a bad flu year. Ten times...

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Post by tpmx » Fri, May 27, 2022, 5:33 PM UTC

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Developed countries tend to maintain rigorous public statistics on causes of death. There is no reason to fall back to anecdata.

If you're paranoid that your particular country is manipulating data, look at some other developed country's data.

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Post by johndfsgdgdfg » Fri, May 27, 2022, 5:33 PM UTC

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There are no conclusions to draw here. The study doesn't "show" anything -- it indicates a need for further research. I'm disappointed that Nature.com is engaging in this kind of sensational journalism. From their own article: > He praises the study, which was difficult to perform because of the amount and quality of data, but adds that it is limited because it does not break the data down by key factors, such as the…

The problem is we've set-up asymmetric incentive structure. Say, there are some uncertainties regarding the risk and aftermath of COVID. If you genuinely underestimate the risk, then you are a pro-grandma killer and one of the worst human beings in the world. But if you overplay the risk, then you are an amazing human being whose only flaw is caring too much about human lives. Unfortunately this becomes another 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf' story and also causes a lot of harm in the long run.