The constitution doesn't constrain the US. The judges sitting on top of it are foremostly politicians - if they wanted to, they could take things in a different direction.
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Why can't USA remove weapons from homes?
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#22If your kind of stupid constitution would be in Ukraine, Russian invasion just not happens.
If you look at 8 year old civil war in the Ukranian Donbas - it is not really weapons they are missing.
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#23Why so much focus on the tools and not the problem? Crazy people will use whatever to harm others. Should we ban literally everything that could be harmful? Guns today, knives tomorrow, how about no more acid or cleaning supplies, then no more cars either since you can drive a truck through a crowd, right? I think addressing the underlying cause would be much more effective. A gun in a society full of healthy people…
> Why so much focus on the tools and not the problem? What if the tool in question is _made_ for killing? If you think it's just as easy to kill a lot of people with a knife as with a gun, you're in for a surprise.
Regardless of the design of the object, it is the person who uses it. Obviously many guns are not for killing people, and those that are exist for protection. The real question is how would you collect the guns from criminals... they can't even collect their guns now, since I guess they wouldn't just hand them in without a fight. How would a new law solve this problem? Criminals will still hold on to what they have, and such a law would only put innocent people at risk.
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#24If your kind of stupid constitution would be in Ukraine, Russian invasion just not happens.
If you look at 8 year old civil war in the Ukranian Donbas - it is not really weapons they are missing.
Ok, let us look at 8 years ago. Igor "Strelkov" Girkin with 51 soldiers started from Crimea and went to Sloviansk (Slavyansk) and captured the city with 140 000 citizen. That action started the Donbas war. OK, there was kind of anarchy because there was no President (Yanukovich has escaped to Russia before the war and it was before acting president Turchinov). But anyway what will happen with 52 armed men if they enter into any 100k+ USA city for the sake of separatism? I bet they will be killed in first hour before even entering the city and all separatism sympathisers will be punished as well.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you look at 8 year old civil war in the Ukranian Donbas - it is not really weapons they are missing.
Ok, let us look at 8 years ago. Igor "Strelkov" Girkin with 51 soldiers started from Crimea and went to Sloviansk (Slavyansk) and captured the city with 140 000 citizen. That action started the Donbas war. OK, there was kind of anarchy because there was no President (Yanukovich has escaped to Russia before the war and it was before acting president Turchinov). But anyway what will happen with 52 armed men if they ent…
Do you really think Donbas would have been more peaceful and stable had there been more weapons there?!
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you look at 8 year old civil war in the Ukranian Donbas - it is not really weapons they are missing.
Ok, let us look at 8 years ago. Igor "Strelkov" Girkin with 51 soldiers started from Crimea and went to Sloviansk (Slavyansk) and captured the city with 140 000 citizen. That action started the Donbas war. OK, there was kind of anarchy because there was no President (Yanukovich has escaped to Russia before the war and it was before acting president Turchinov). But anyway what will happen with 52 armed men if they ent…
If the US was to go through a period similar to the post-Soviet breakup, I would be very pessimistic on how violent it would be, owing to the numbers of weapons present in the country.
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#27Why so much focus on the tools and not the problem? Crazy people will use whatever to harm others. Should we ban literally everything that could be harmful? Guns today, knives tomorrow, how about no more acid or cleaning supplies, then no more cars either since you can drive a truck through a crowd, right? I think addressing the underlying cause would be much more effective. A gun in a society full of healthy people…
Crazy people are everywhere and yet their destructive impact is greatly reduced if they don't have easy access to ranged deadly weapons.
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#28I'll never support no weapon ownership, can't defend yourself against say the gov. On the other hand, Japan seems like a nice place. Edit: will clarify I'm not an ACAB supporter or anything like that.
When it comes to police brutality and lack of accountability I feel like the "defend yourself against say the gov" ship sailed ages ago.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok, let us look at 8 years ago. Igor "Strelkov" Girkin with 51 soldiers started from Crimea and went to Sloviansk (Slavyansk) and captured the city with 140 000 citizen. That action started the Donbas war. OK, there was kind of anarchy because there was no President (Yanukovich has escaped to Russia before the war and it was before acting president Turchinov). But anyway what will happen with 52 armed men if they ent…
Do you really think Donbas would have been more peaceful and stable had there been more weapons there?!
I really think Donbas would have been more peaceful and less separatist if there had been more weapons before Strelkov's campaign of 2014. I can tell even more - there would be no Bucha massacre if any household of Bucha had something more powerful than a shotgun (50m effective range). And by the way, getting allowed for using even a hunting weapon in Ukraine requires passing through tremendous bureucracy.
For example, if I want a shotgun to practice shooting at plates and bottles, I need to declare my goal as becoming a hunter. Becoming a hunter requires passing an exam on fauna species (for not shootng a Red Book species, obviously). But I don't want to be a hunter because Ukraine is not a USA and seing wild animals in forest is a rare event (believe me, I am living less than 1 km to a nearest forest and it is a tough natural forest, not a park with sparce trees). And going through hunterness is not the only bureaucracy obstacle to becoming an owner of firearms.
Imagine seeing a military colon going to capital of your country at the assault rifle range and having no ability to do anything except of wishing good luck to the capital, because of the decisions accepted in the capital.
Re: Why can't USA remove weapons from homes?
#30The constitution doesn't constrain the US. The judges sitting on top of it are foremostly politicians - if they wanted to, they could take things in a different direction.
Indeed. The Roe V Wade overthrow shows how it's done. Judges are permanent legislators; it's been a critical part of the Republican project of past decades to pick them to ensure particular outcomes.