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Formula for a Shortage

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Re: Formula for a Shortage

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Just FYI, it's a conspiracy theory to suggest that seed oils and other processed chemicals are somehow unhealthy.

...is this a kind of thing people say? If you have something to argue about the healthiness of certain foods, make your argument.

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Re: Formula for a Shortage

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The author should maybe consider that there are some possible downsides to a totally free market in food and drug products, and in particular look at the historical events which led to the creation and empowering of the FDA. e.g. "The Sulfanilamide Disaster" [0], which killed 100 people because a company used antifreeze to create a liquid form of their drug (and it would have killed more if not for FDA efforts to track down shipments and recover the drug).

The shortage is certainly a terrible thing. It also would be a terrible thing if contaminated formula killed a bunch of babies. It may be that we have not struck the right policy balance between a free market and regulatory controls, but this screed is far from a nuanced reconsideration of the role of the FDA.

[0]: https://www.fda.gov/files/about%20fda/published/The-Sulfanil...

Re: Formula for a Shortage

#23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...is this a kind of thing people say? If you have something to argue about the healthiness of certain foods, make your argument.

> is this a kind of thing people say? Is what a thing people say?

Just point to something and say "that thing you said is something other people have said, and I call those people conspiracy theorists, which presumably means something to me, but probably isn't the literal definition of conspiracy theorist, because there's no actual conspiracy in something being unhealthy inherently, and so don't say that thing."

Basically, completely avoiding the object level and jumping to a meta discussion that can only be political and not further the discussion.

Re: Formula for a Shortage

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What happened to the FDA? Why would they block a healthier option? This must be incompetence or corruption. European formula is healthier than the dorito mix formula sold in the US. I was shocked to see that some have corn syrup and high oleic sunflower oils as the first ingredient. If I was a parent in the US I'd be looking for an underground formula railroad.

>If I was a parent in the US I'd be looking for an underground formula railroad

Yep - we found a company in Florida that was importing formula from Germany at a reasonable premium. Keep in mind that this was 4 years ago, so I don't know the state of that pipeline today.

Re: Formula for a Shortage

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> is this a kind of thing people say? Is what a thing people say?

Just point to something and say "that thing you said is something other people have said, and I call those people conspiracy theorists, which presumably means something to me, but probably isn't the literal definition of conspiracy theorist, because there's no actual conspiracy in something being unhealthy inherently, and so don't say that thing." Basically, completely avoiding the object level and jumping to a meta…

How is a government agency blocking imports of food that parents wish to buy for their children not a political topic?

It would be disingenuous at this stage in our society to make the case that speech is not heavily regulated and often labeled as conspiracy (and worse) when it runs counter to corporate and establishment narratives. Hence, the metapolitical comment.

Re: Formula for a Shortage

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The author should maybe consider that there are some possible downsides to a totally free market in food and drug products, and in particular look at the historical events which led to the creation and empowering of the FDA. e.g. "The Sulfanilamide Disaster" [0], which killed 100 people because a company used antifreeze to create a liquid form of their drug (and it would have killed more if not for FDA efforts to tra…

Specifically they should look at the many times baby formula has been adulterated with literal poison and the horrors that nestle commits and then ask themselves if they really don't want some sort of safety.

Remember, this shortage is because a brand was selling dangerous formula and had to take it off store shelves

Re: Formula for a Shortage

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post #4

What happened to the FDA? Why would they block a healthier option? This must be incompetence or corruption. European formula is healthier than the dorito mix formula sold in the US. I was shocked to see that some have corn syrup and high oleic sunflower oils as the first ingredient. If I was a parent in the US I'd be looking for an underground formula railroad.

2 quotes from the article address that: "The FDA does not exist to get products on the market. It exists to keep products off the market. They have no idea how to get a product to market; that’s just not what they do." "So what they are doing, in an emergency, is allowing, out of the kindness of their hearts, for manufacturers to apply for the ability to temporarily import their products once the FDA explicitly appro…

I gave up on the article about a quarter way through when they trivialized that labels may be in Dutch or German and the intended water to formula ratios are 1:1 instead of 1:2. That would mean an infant getting one half the calories a parent thinks they are, which does not seem trivial to me.

Re: Formula for a Shortage

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What happened to the FDA? Why would they block a healthier option? This must be incompetence or corruption. European formula is healthier than the dorito mix formula sold in the US. I was shocked to see that some have corn syrup and high oleic sunflower oils as the first ingredient. If I was a parent in the US I'd be looking for an underground formula railroad.

Just FYI, it's a conspiracy theory to suggest that seed oils and other processed chemicals are somehow unhealthy.

If I'm reading the response chain right, you're actually not saying it's untrue, just that criticizing veg oils is something that people will call you a conspiracy theorist for suggesting?

Cause if so, I'm kinda with you. I definitely think veg oils are awful for health, and have basically been called crazy for saying so.

Not much conspiracy there though excepting maybe the main thematic one which is that unhealthful stuff is foisted on the populace to keep them dumb and compliant.

Re: Formula for a Shortage

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2 quotes from the article address that: "The FDA does not exist to get products on the market. It exists to keep products off the market. They have no idea how to get a product to market; that’s just not what they do." "So what they are doing, in an emergency, is allowing, out of the kindness of their hearts, for manufacturers to apply for the ability to temporarily import their products once the FDA explicitly appro…

I gave up on the article about a quarter way through when they trivialized that labels may be in Dutch or German and the intended water to formula ratios are 1:1 instead of 1:2. That would mean an infant getting one half the calories a parent thinks they are, which does not seem trivial to me.

> That would mean an infant getting one half the calories a parent thinks they are, which does not seem trivial to me.

As opposed to none?

Again, there is a shortage. Thus the poorer end of the spectrum will go without.

Re: Formula for a Shortage

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just FYI, it's a conspiracy theory to suggest that seed oils and other processed chemicals are somehow unhealthy.

If I'm reading the response chain right, you're actually not saying it's untrue, just that criticizing veg oils is something that people will call you a conspiracy theorist for suggesting? Cause if so, I'm kinda with you. I definitely think veg oils are awful for health, and have basically been called crazy for saying so. Not much conspiracy there though excepting maybe the main thematic one which is that unhealthful…

Yup, we’re on the same page on both counts.
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